tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post8454618799531132915..comments2024-03-16T14:43:09.430-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining Uncanny X-Men #327Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-86199158979376857792021-12-02T10:50:25.163-06:002021-12-02T10:50:25.163-06:00This story post “Magneto war” non-sense.
The real...This story post “Magneto war” non-sense. <br />The real Magneto is dead in “X men 3”. XDFra Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14535964947337788975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-12021289244720619302020-04-28T02:10:11.978-05:002020-04-28T02:10:11.978-05:00" Maybe he thought it was something that need..." Maybe he thought it was something that needed to be done in order to pair him up with Rogue, but a 30s-ish Magneto isn't that much older than Rogue at this point."<br /><br />And Rogue and Magneto had engage at least in some flertation during their time together at Savage Land - it was even remembered during X-Men (vol. 2) #25 by a jealous Gambit.Cesar R. Pontualhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06375109987794647615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-118302399324409512020-04-28T02:08:11.933-05:002020-04-28T02:08:11.933-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Cesar R. Pontualhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06375109987794647615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-31989908638598499852020-04-27T14:16:01.413-05:002020-04-27T14:16:01.413-05:00Yeah, it really wasn't necessary (and Lobdell ...Yeah, it really wasn't necessary (and Lobdell never really did much with it beyond mentioning it here). Maybe he thought it was something that needed to be done in order to pair him up with Rogue, but a 30s-ish Magneto isn't that much older than Rogue at this point. <br /><br />Of course, it's also possible that Lobdell forgot the whole de-aging business that happened with Erik the Red and still considered him a biological peer of Korean War vet Xavier, but it seems like Harras or someone should have caught that. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-43479108515824535782020-04-27T14:13:26.176-05:002020-04-27T14:13:26.176-05:00Yeah, Xorn is a whole 'nother "needlessly...Yeah, Xorn is a whole 'nother "needlessly complicated Magneto-adjacent retcon" situation. :) Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-25599952333258591062020-04-26T02:47:37.996-05:002020-04-26T02:47:37.996-05:00"If I’m not wrong, he was already quite young..."If I’m not wrong, he was already quite young, around the age of the X-Men, when he was turned to an adult by Erik the Red".<br /><br />I recall that too. He was thirty-something in Uncanny X-Men #200.Cesar R. Pontualhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06375109987794647615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-77562077484916629652020-04-24T22:36:09.402-05:002020-04-24T22:36:09.402-05:00Oops! I don’t know why I thought you didn’t like t...Oops! I don’t know why I thought you didn’t like those issues. Now I need to go back and re-read your reviews. I do seem to recall that you singled out Kavanagh’s scripting, but for some reason I thought it was Davis’s run in general. Maybe I mixed it up with something else? The later Seagle/Kelly issues with all the editorial interference?<br /><br />Anyway, sorry for misrepresenting you!Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-91821247677613354662020-04-24T10:05:59.703-05:002020-04-24T10:05:59.703-05:00My memory is that I *did* like the Alan Davis issu...My memory is that I *did* like the Alan Davis issues! Okay, I'm sure I griped about Kavanagh's scripting, and the lame circumstances around Cyclops' "Death" (especially when looking back on it, and knowing now Davis also objected), but I do recall enjoying that run overall as they were released.<br /><br />Regarding this comic, my major memory is feeling that Roger Cruz was a good enough Joe Mad clone, and wishing he'd do more fill-ins.G. Kendallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12279461069684403792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-3382680514324473702020-04-24T05:52:20.495-05:002020-04-24T05:52:20.495-05:00Why was Magneto de-ages? If I’m not wrong, he was ...Why was Magneto de-ages? If I’m not wrong, he was already quite young, around the age of the X-Men, when he was turned to an adult by Erik the Red, and I believe that was confirmed in UXM#200 (his trial), right? I think the we rotes simply forgot that and assumed he was older looking.Licínio Mirandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12545823888354348526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-512828246069759142020-04-23T21:42:01.381-05:002020-04-23T21:42:01.381-05:00I didn't need to comment, but now I just want ...I didn't need to comment, but now I just want to throw in with an accomplished comment section..<br /><br />+always thought Joseph was tied in with that Xorn guy somehow. and this was one of the last xcomics I read as it shipped for quite awhile.Wh1l5tImDhttp://www.bettysustedhunter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-28143945012468705232020-04-23T11:14:19.508-05:002020-04-23T11:14:19.508-05:00As far as a more interesting turn for the Joseph r...As far as a more interesting turn for the Joseph reveal I recall reading that he was going to be revealed as Proteus during the sadly aborted Seagle/Kelly run. John Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12600335496622438290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-68803213858291391832020-04-23T10:15:36.983-05:002020-04-23T10:15:36.983-05:00Now, all that said, I will add that "Magneto ...Now, all that said, I will add that "Magneto War" led into a period on X-Men that I really enjoyed at the time, when Alan Davis was plotting both X-books. It also resulted in probably my favorite status quo for Magneto, when he was the ruler of Genosha. It's a shame that was blown up (literally, by Grant Morrison) after just a couple years -- but at the same time, they didn't really get much mileage it. A couple limited series and the "Eve of Destruction" crossover are all that came out of it, as I recall. And Quicksilver talking about it in AVENGERS too, I think. (Props to Kurt Busiek for that. I loved how he would integrate all these little bits and pieces of ongoing continuity into the series back then.)<br /><br />I'm really looking forward to re-reading that Alan Davis run when you get to it, but I'm also a little nervous. I really, really liked it at the time -- I think in large part because it was the closest the X-Men of the 90s ever got to feeling like the X-Men of the 70s. There was something very Bronze Age-y about Davis's run, at least in my recollection. But when Not Blog X covered those issues years ago, G. Kendall didn't speak very highly of them... I'm really curious to see what my take will be.<br /><br />But that's still a few years off! As for this isssue, I was pleased to find that it lived up to my memories. I like it. It works great as a reintroduction for (the character who at the time was intended to be) Magneto. And I like how Lobdell would periodically do these issues that have no actual X-Men in them (the Acolyte-centric 315 being another example). Though I wish Joseph would've cut his hair along with shaving. I never liked him with the long hair, but of course it fits with wanting him to be more like AoA Magneto.<br /><br />This was also, for me at least, some of Roger Cruz's better work recently. Miles ahead of his fill-ins on GENERATION X, to be sure. I wonder if Tim Townsend made the difference? He knows how to ink Madureira, so maybe he applied those sensibilities to Cruz's pencils for a more appropriate result.<br /><br />Geez, I wasn't expecting this comment to be so long!Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-8056204661037467172020-04-23T10:15:28.070-05:002020-04-23T10:15:28.070-05:00Yeah, they really should've found a better sol...Yeah, they really should've found a better solution to the whole Joseph thing. I remember being honestly surprised at the time that they made him a clone, since Marvel had been insanely clone-shy following the whole Spider-Man thing. And the invention of Astra (or more specifically the ret-conning of her into a character who had been around since the beginning but never once mentioned) was pretty bad. I think I rank it up there with "Tessa worked for Xavier all along" as one of the dumbest X-Men ret-cons. (And I generally liked Sage as a character, but the ret-con was still stupid.)<br /><br />They should have found some way to resolve the Joseph plot Joseph him as the real Magneto -- but of course that was impossible thanks to Lobdell's final issue (final page, in fact). And it's a funny thing, because I remember in an interview at the time that Lobdell said he was simply engaging in a time-honored tradition where a departing creative team would set up a mystery for the incoming team to solve... which I don't think is something that ever happened intentionally! Usually, mysteries were left dangling when a creator left at title prematurely and had no time to wrap it up (see Roger Stern and Hobgoblin, for example). Lobdell had a bit of a contentious departure from the X-books, but I don't know that any writer leaving on bad terms ever specifically came up with a curveball just to stick it to the next guy in the position.<br /><br />But anyway, with both Joseph and the "real" Magneto running around, they were kind of stuck for a solution. But I still think they could've gotten creative and made Joseph the real thing, and had the other Magneto be a clone. Maybe somehow working the whole Alpha/Moira/Eric the Red de-aging/genetic tampering/re-aging into it. That would've drawn on existing continuity and, I think, would have actually been a bit of a surprise compared with what they did.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-27740468871506152242020-04-23T09:52:42.884-05:002020-04-23T09:52:42.884-05:00I'm sure the penciler and inker actually did t...I'm sure the penciler and inker actually did the moon, but the colorist then did his own thing over it. I agree, it's kind of annoying. This was around the time colorists were really going nuts exploring what they could do, but it seemed like they were using the published comics as guinea pigs, rather than testing elsewhere to perfect the process before using it on work to be published.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-5110945410414106812020-04-22T23:44:22.018-05:002020-04-22T23:44:22.018-05:00I can't believe it got to the point where eith...I can't believe it got to the point where either the colorist or some 3D graphics person created things like the moon or clouds instead of the penciler/inker.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com