tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post767755311308278907..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining X-Men (vol. 2) #46Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-16522759589660295532023-09-17T05:10:25.642-05:002023-09-17T05:10:25.642-05:00With what we know today, it really looked like Bob...With what we know today, it really looked like Bobby wanted to tell Jean that he is gay. But then he "only" talks about his Emma problem ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-33767301956703481282020-11-16T16:29:15.690-06:002020-11-16T16:29:15.690-06:00I think once at best was enough for the X-Babies, ...I think once <i>at best</i> was enough for the X-Babies, but Gambit holding arithmetic flash cards on the cover is a cute gag.Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-61856595059623403482020-04-01T17:33:56.539-05:002020-04-01T17:33:56.539-05:0012-year old me thought the lady picking tomatoes i...12-year old me thought the lady picking tomatoes in the Magneto interlude was totally hot. Why doesn't she bend her knees when bending over to gather the tomatoes?! Keeping her legs straight and sticking her butt out? Man, I'll never forget... and I just had to make this comment because I just HAD to tell someone!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-48531899956174062492020-04-01T17:28:07.922-05:002020-04-01T17:28:07.922-05:00Andy Kubert is honestly one of my favorite artists...Andy Kubert is honestly one of my favorite artists. His work on X-Men, Batman vs. Predator, fill-ins on Wolverine, and OGNs like Wolverine: Rhane of Terra are all great. I've always preferred his work to his brother Adam's. At this point on X-Men his style did start to change... for the worse. You will really see the difference in how he draws long hair (usually on women) around the time of Onslaught. Andy went from being pretty realistic to cartoony land, which I believe was him trying to change with the times as artists like Joe Mad were becoming all of the rage (ewww).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07394443876734831051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-3565685514612997822020-03-31T11:07:11.139-05:002020-03-31T11:07:11.139-05:00The post-"Messiah Complex" Bishop stuff ...The post-"Messiah Complex" Bishop stuff was just garbage. I almost appreciate the way it was handwaved away and now ignored just because it was so terrible, except for the fact that they HELLA committed to it at the time, which makes it that much harder to ignore. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-12767465069825067582020-03-31T11:04:20.715-05:002020-03-31T11:04:20.715-05:00I think Cam Smith's inks make a difference, an...I think Cam Smith's inks make a difference, and the improvements in coloring/paperstock around this time, but I agree, Kubert often gets overlooked when discussing notable X-artists. A lot of it, I think, is that he followed on from Jim Lee (arguably the biggest X-artist ever, in terms of sheer popularity), and right around the time he hit his stride on the book, Joe Mad came along on UNCANNY and became the "it" X-artist everyone talked about. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-28721850434032211492020-03-29T23:46:54.078-05:002020-03-29T23:46:54.078-05:00There was a period, starting in the early 00s, and...There was a period, starting in the early 00s, and really ramping up in the mid to late 00s, where it seemed most Marvel writers simply wanted to break all the toys. Like, they felt it was incumbent on them as the characters’ custodians to just blow everything up in as extreme a manner as possible, to the point none of it could ever be easily fixed.<br /><br />At least, that was always the impression I got when I read stories by guys like Morrison, Bendis, Millar, JMS, Brubaker, and so forth. And while I acknowledge that some of those stories may have been good in a vacuum (I even liked a few myself), a lot more were utter garbage, and — like I said above — resulted in damage that was nigh-impossible to repair without some serious ret-con backflips.<br /><br />Thankfully, Marvel seems to have somewhat walked that attitude back among the current generation of writers, but for me the damage was done. I haven’t read a new Marvel comic in at least ten years. 00s Marvel totally killed and buried my interest. Mind you, it wasn’t just the writers that drove me away; it was also editorial attitudes toward things like continuity and seemingly imposing a “house style” for story pacing and scripting — and that side of it has never gotten much better.<br /><br />But at least I have back issues and reprints!Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-44705045796600545032020-03-29T23:10:16.907-05:002020-03-29T23:10:16.907-05:00The thing was, it was so awful that I kept waiting...The thing was, it was so awful that I kept waiting for the punch line. Like, this isn't Bishop, he has to be possessed or something, right? And in all his time with the X-Men, he never once mentioned the child that destroyed his future? And when it seemed like it was happening in front of him, he never thought to ask his teammates and friends for help? Like, let's just kill freaking Charles Xavier? And to my knowledge, the damage was never really undone. The Bishop we see is aged twenty years and he just sort of said he was sorry. <br /><br />I know comic books are comic books but I can't believe garbage like that ever got approved.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03302434296164953767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-50862741196911271822020-03-29T21:24:11.958-05:002020-03-29T21:24:11.958-05:00This was pretty much the end of the line for me fo...This was pretty much the end of the line for me for adjectiveless until Morrison came in. I like some of the Kelly and Davis stories, but Lobdell's issues feel like pointless inventory stories to me. It felt like Uncanny was getting his full attention and this wasn't. It's a big drop off from the Nicieza issues for me.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14447265712189987074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-26913559302843931582020-03-29T18:09:54.562-05:002020-03-29T18:09:54.562-05:00The character assassination of Bishop was one of t...The character assassination of Bishop was one of the straws that got me to drop the X-books for good shortly after “Messiah Complex”. (I had already dropped them once when Grant Morrison and Joe Casey/Chuck Austen were writing, but I came back after they left.)Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-41814170562204931482020-03-29T18:07:44.253-05:002020-03-29T18:07:44.253-05:00I think they did have an inkling of what they want...I think they did have an inkling of what they wanted to do with Bishop around this time, between his AoA memories (referenced this very issue), Fatale, etc. — but this is the point when the X-books really and truly started to go into the mode that everybody seems to associate with the bulk of the 90s: backburnering of sub-plots into nonstop holding patterns forever and ever.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-53560741304779562842020-03-28T21:14:50.732-05:002020-03-28T21:14:50.732-05:00It's ironic that not only does Bishop go on to...It's ironic that not only does Bishop go on to betray the X-Men himself, but his actions are far more heinous than anything Gambit ever did. I hated that storyline.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03302434296164953767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-56834724536433859312020-03-28T18:41:48.963-05:002020-03-28T18:41:48.963-05:00I commented in X-Men (vol. 2) # 45 about the impro...I commented in X-Men (vol. 2) # 45 about the improvement in Andy Kubert's art. I've been thinking about it and maybe Cam Smith's inks made the difference. Cesar R. Pontualhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06375109987794647615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-15745813279948466822020-03-28T07:22:31.918-05:002020-03-28T07:22:31.918-05:00I don’t know why no one comments on this, but at t...I don’t know why no one comments on this, but at this time Andy Kubert’s art reaches a new evolutionary step, as it becomes “rounded”, instead of “square” or “straight” as in when he began pencilling the X-Men comics. I didn’t like his rendition of X-Babies, because he clearly can’t draw children. Giving them tiny noses next to their eye lines and huge space between the nose and mouth doesn’t make them look like children. Also, I don’t understand why no one ever says “Kubert was one of my favorite penciller we”, even though he stayed on the X-Men for a long time (from issue 14 until... 55?).<br /><br />Now... regarding the story. What can I say, other than ask “why?” It changed nothing, it add nothing, except for implying that Dazzler lost the “Shatterstar” baby, which probably no one cared, since she and Longshot were completely forgotten since issue 11.<br /><br />I didn’t care about the new friendship between Gambit and Bishop, mainly because at this point it was clear that no creator knew what to do with Bishop. That becomes clearer when he’s sent to the future (alternate timeline?) and his ongoing series and he’s quickly forgotten by the X-Men.<br /><br />Lastly, but not least: does anyone likes the X-Babies? I loved that annual in which the X-Men were turned into children, but mainly because of Art Adams’ art (Wolverine ripping his Mojo’s mask is still one of my favorite art pieces of all time, RIP Art Adams’s art... pity you became a shadow of yourself). Ok, they are children. Once you move beyond your first laugh of “hey, small versions of my favorite characters” and you start thinking about the idea of these parentless children fending for themselves in the brutal Mojo world, and knowing that the X-Men do not care, it becomes a trouble. X-Babies work as a one time joke, not as a cannon element of the franchise.Licínio Mirandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12545823888354348526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-40665576928848795452020-03-27T17:46:37.958-05:002020-03-27T17:46:37.958-05:00This issue has never done much for me. Aside from ...This issue has never done much for me. Aside from the Bishop/Gambit pairing, which I really like -- and Bishop's new haircut -- I can take it or leave it. I feel like Lobdell was sort of phoning it in on these issues of X-MEN, while saving his "good stuff" for UNCANNY (and of course, the really good stuff for GENERATION X).<br /><br />I do laugh at X-Baby Cyclops's lisp, though.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.com