tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post633963662741664985..comments2024-03-22T04:20:11.870-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining X-Men (vol. 2) #27Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-64148379188384902832018-02-16T07:13:53.419-06:002018-02-16T07:13:53.419-06:00"Personally, I feel AoA really zapped the ter..."Personally, I feel AoA really zapped the terrific momentum (GenX) was generating."<br /><br />No, I got that feeling even as a kid, reading it in subscription. When all of the promised stuff failed to happen, for reasons I'm still not sure why, puttering around instead, I was disappointed.<br /><br />But I still have fond memories of Generation X & hate how so many of the members have been either killed as cannon fodder or mishandled in the intervening years. Should be interesting to revisit.Melahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05539894845356203447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-78554300460048753062018-02-14T13:06:16.384-06:002018-02-14T13:06:16.384-06:00You're most likely right, wwk5d. It's just...You're most likely right, wwk5d. It's just that it was a recent revelation to me how much closure for the Defenders the X-FACTOR #1 had so I couldn't help it. Those pages were cut from our publication of the issue back in the day because of Defenders having had no presence (pun accidental but I'll take credit) in our market. Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-2025995243700742018-02-14T12:32:28.274-06:002018-02-14T12:32:28.274-06:00I remember thinking the art in this one was weird....I remember thinking the art in this one was weird. I recall a panel where Beast is grabbing Sinister and it looks like he's putting his thumb in Sinister's mouth. I think it's pretty blatant that Sinister is supposed to have the virus at the end of this. I wonder why they dropped it?Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14447265712189987074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-2823189001547512892018-02-14T00:22:41.680-06:002018-02-14T00:22:41.680-06:00For anyone who is wondering what Sinister has been...For anyone who is wondering what Sinister has been up to within the last decade or so, check this out:<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Sinister#2010swwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-10361404944939044302018-02-13T18:12:57.458-06:002018-02-13T18:12:57.458-06:00Oh, Matt, another one that you might like -- it de...Oh, Matt, another one that you might like -- it definitely pushed the right buttons for me as a fan of old-school Sinister -- is Christos Gage's X-Men/Spider-Man four-part miniseries from circa 2008. Some Classic "Mister" right there. :)<br /><br />(Oh, and another good one, albeit non-canonical ... X-Men/WildCats: Silver Age.)<br /><br />-- Jason againAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-12106536582965709972018-02-13T18:07:06.872-06:002018-02-13T18:07:06.872-06:00Thanks, wwk5d! I forgot about GAMBIT. I really l...Thanks, wwk5d! I forgot about GAMBIT. I really liked that series at the time, at least up to the point when it had to adapt to the "Revolution" stuff... but I have little recollection of anything about it, other than an issue where Gambit met Batroc.<br /><br />Though I suppose I wasn't clear about the "last hurrah" -- I meant in terms of the "peak" era I described above. Sinister was practically omnipresent in the X-books from '92 - '96ish, and THE FURTHER ADVENTURES OF CYCLOPS AND PHOENIX capped that off. I thought he fell mostly into disuse for the remainder of the 90s, but GAMBIT had slipped my mind.<br /><br />Though as you and Jason, below, note, he had a nice run in the mid-00s, too. I actually read "Messiah Complex" for Sinister, even though I'd more or less given up on the X-Men at that point, and that led me to read X-MEN LEGACY as well, which I believe spun out of "Complex" and which I really enjoyed. I forgot there was some good posthumous Sinister stuff in those pages too.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-1453965306945686812018-02-13T17:45:15.062-06:002018-02-13T17:45:15.062-06:00Sinister plays a very large role in Claremont'...Sinister plays a very large role in Claremont's "X-Men: The End," which is awesome.<br /><br />And Mike Carey used him to excellent effect in some "Legacy" issues.<br /><br />-- Jason PowellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-83216561628887215232018-02-13T13:58:56.104-06:002018-02-13T13:58:56.104-06:00Post-Onslaught, he does appear quite a bit in Gamb...Post-Onslaught, he does appear quite a bit in Gambit's first solo ongoing title, which was written by...Nicieza.<br /><br />I'd say Sinister's real last hurrah was during the Endangered Species/Messiah Complex stories.<br /><br />Of course, he, like many a dead X-men/Marvel character, "got better" and has been back for a while following his death in MC.<br /><br />wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-80615573880755204192018-02-13T13:34:13.281-06:002018-02-13T13:34:13.281-06:00It was 1993, Teemu! Mister Sinister appeared earl...It was 1993, Teemu! Mister Sinister appeared early and often! (And I loved it.) In general, I would consider 1992 - '96 or so to be Sinister's peak years. He was all over the place during that period, starting with "X-Cutioner's Song" and running up to the beginning of "Onslaught". After "Onslaught", his appearances became fewer and further between. <br /><br />I always got the impression that Scott Lobdell was never as keen on Sinister as Fabian Nicieza had been, and Nicieza left X-MEN not long before "Onslaught" started. We did get a Sinister story from Mark Waid during his blink-and-you'll-miss-it X-MEN run post-Nicieza, just before "Onslaught" started, but I'm hard pressed to recall the character appearing much in the core X-books after that. Lobdell, to my recollection, never really touched Sinister again following a one-page cameo in UNCANNY 325, published the same month as Nicieza's final X-MEN, and then Steve Seagle and Joe Kelly both apparently had little interest in him too*, and I don't think Alan Davis touched him at all either. Then Claremont came back in 2000 and also never used the character -- though he was explicitly trying to go in new directions, so that's understandable. After that, I lost track.<br /><br />He did have a nice last hurrah in '96 though, with his origin finally revealed in THE FURTHER ADVENTURES OF CYCLOPS AND PHOENIX, which was published during "Onslaught".<br /><br /><br />*<i>Seagle even said in WIZARD at the time something like, "I never got what Mister Sinister was about." <b>I</b> never got that comment! What's not to get? Guy appears now and then, says some cryptic stuff -- probably about DNA or bloodlines or something -- which may never actually pan out to anything, then leaves. It's not rocket science.</i>Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-36316077590324452492018-02-13T13:05:05.425-06:002018-02-13T13:05:05.425-06:00"Attack of the Bad Artists"?"Attack of the Bad Artists"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-21835874287218248302018-02-13T11:29:01.702-06:002018-02-13T11:29:01.702-06:00The cover of this and CABLE #6 suggest like there&...The cover of this and CABLE #6 suggest like there's some unofficial December crossover going on.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-1988477031421356232018-02-12T22:18:49.858-06:002018-02-12T22:18:49.858-06:00"They are calling back to X-FACTOR, it's ..."They are calling back to X-FACTOR, it's only appropriate that the preceding CHAMPIONS/DEDENDERS stuff that #1 spent sone time with gets a nod too."<br /><br />I'm not sure the Champions comment is any time of call back, since this is neither the first nor the last time Lobdell/Nicieza will have Iceman make a Champions reference. The last time he made a reference was in Uncanny #303. I think Lobdell/Nicieza just appreciated some of the more colorful bits of the character's histories.<br /><br />With regards to Sinister...I'm not even sure his backstory had even been planned out by this point. The cryptic hints about him having the Legacy Virus do fit in with the era, since lots of things were brought up only to be forgotten about. wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-23963008655568888532018-02-12T17:54:50.910-06:002018-02-12T17:54:50.910-06:00I don't want to say too much about my frustrat...I don't want to say too much about my frustration with Generation X, as I'm eagerly awaiting for the guys here to eventually cover it - but man, did that comic start out strong and then collapse under its missteps. Personally, I feel AoA really zapped the terrific momentum it was generating.<br /><br />Grr...argh! Must...not...say...more! ;-)Notorious J.O.E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16981069985099562942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-40837941354971770842018-02-12T15:22:52.764-06:002018-02-12T15:22:52.764-06:00Did any humans besides Moira ever contract the Leg...Did any humans besides Moira ever contract the Legacy Virus?Eric Magnushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13561025479642283501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-31078524756735370612018-02-12T14:18:11.719-06:002018-02-12T14:18:11.719-06:00But, it's safe to say it's a pretty plot- ...But, it's safe to say it's a pretty plot- and franchise intellectual property conscious disease.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-35907307402848923472018-02-12T14:10:33.930-06:002018-02-12T14:10:33.930-06:00All I know is that Gordon starts coughing the seco...All I know is that Gordon starts coughing the second the canister opens. Sinister obviously got tougher constitution of the two, but I don't think a human would escape the virus if he was there then.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-41438354623176768212018-02-12T13:48:23.517-06:002018-02-12T13:48:23.517-06:00Teemu, transmission of the Legacy Virus makes no s...Teemu, transmission of the Legacy Virus makes no sense. It somehow wafts out of that canister and begins affecting mutants around the world, willy nilly, but I guess it's not exactly airborne since the X-Men are frequently in direct contact with infected mutants and never come down with so much as a runny nose.<br /><br />Then, years later, Colossus is patient zero for the cure -- and this time, when he injects himself, the cure somehow <b>immediately</b> spreads around the world to heal everyone afflicted by the virus, posthaste.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-43091059368658382642018-02-12T13:44:17.548-06:002018-02-12T13:44:17.548-06:00Yeah, that's what I meant by "at this tim...Yeah, that's what I meant by "at this time." I was being vague, but I believe it was accepted that Moira was the very first non-mutant infected by the Legacy Virus. Sure, Sinister could've come first, but it seems odd that it would've gotten him immediately when it was designed to target exclusively mutants. I believe it got Moira because the strain mutated, and that was some time later (at least publication-wise). But it's been years since I read those stories, so I may be wrong on some of this.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-49720869516940550472018-02-12T13:40:04.736-06:002018-02-12T13:40:04.736-06:00Mr. Sinister was at ground zero when the canister ...Mr. Sinister was at ground zero when the canister was opened; it must've been some potent spores if it spreaded airborne from rural Nebraska(?) to ail the mutants.<br /><br />Obviously Sinister could have found the cure and just have himself healed with it.<br /><br />They are calling back to X-FACTOR, it's only appropriate that the preceding CHAMPIONS/DEDENDERS stuff that #1 spent sone time with gets a nod too.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-40599581386677453062018-02-12T12:54:17.746-06:002018-02-12T12:54:17.746-06:00Well, not totally impossible, as Moira would event...Well, not totally impossible, as Moira would eventually get infected with the virus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-40774676651679842902018-02-12T11:31:31.834-06:002018-02-12T11:31:31.834-06:00I really liked this one when it came out. I loved ...I really liked this one when it came out. I loved Bennett's artwork -- I think this was my first and only exposure to him and I wished he was the regular artist on the series -- and of course I'm a sucker for Mister Sinister. Specifically:<br /><br />"<b>Mr. Sinister (who made a cottage industry at this time of popping up in books to drop vague pronoucements and let his invulnerable body accept some blows before disappearing)</b>..."<br /><br />YESSSS. Some may say that single trait is not enough to make a compelling character, but because he did this all the time everywhere, Sinister was my favorite X-villain by a mile.<br /><br />I agree that the final page makes it clear Sinister himself probably has the virus. Of course, even if the plot wasn't dropped, this would later prove impossible (at least at this time), since we'd eventually learn he's not a mutant.<br /><br />I also like Iceman mentioning his time with the Champions while hanging out in the hospital.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-7016145474277874132018-02-12T11:28:30.989-06:002018-02-12T11:28:30.989-06:00Hey, J. -- I wasn't Synch, but he was my favor...Hey, J. -- I wasn't Synch, but he was my favorite member of the Gen X team (though Banshee was my favorite character in the series). His eventual fate bugs me, too. (And so did/does Banshee's!)Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-3335739925147278642018-02-12T11:02:28.718-06:002018-02-12T11:02:28.718-06:00I was gonna mention framing Infectia's death a...I was gonna mention framing Infectia's death around her butt and ruining what should be a tragic scene, but Teemu beat me to it. You could argue that the more talented Image-era artists at least waiting until an appropriate story moment for cheesecake poses, but I'm sure that won't be the case consistently.Melahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05539894845356203447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-59626739441907951982018-02-12T09:13:18.154-06:002018-02-12T09:13:18.154-06:00Personally for me, yes. The Image guys were at it,...Personally for me, yes. The Image guys were at it, sure, but for me Bennett here somehow finally manages to push it over with leaning Rogue pg 3, coffee-pouring Rogue pg 4, gear-stripping, elevator-checking Rogue pg 16 and asstastic Thredony pg 17, 20.<br /><br />Had someone gone through a Jim Lee X-MEN issue with me and pointed out suspected instances, I could have with some honesty defended it by "comic-book dynamics" and "I read it for plot" or whatever. If we got to this issue, I would have raised my hands and own up I got nothing. Person is dying in hospital, zoom ass. Zoom the dying person's ass in the closing panel.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-46024653098648578612018-02-12T07:46:25.047-06:002018-02-12T07:46:25.047-06:00This is the point where that happened?This is the point where that happened?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com