tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post5156785534595078306..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: Walking Dead 3x07: When the Dead Come KnockingAustin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-21937015751544257342012-12-01T16:50:56.286-06:002012-12-01T16:50:56.286-06:00@Blam: It really felt like a comparison was being...@Blam: <i> It really felt like a comparison was being drawn, unspoken, between how the Stepford veneer of Woodbury is so patently creepy, a dark underbelly lurking beneath its tightly wound civilization, and how Rick's group is in a way that I'm sure Michonne understands doing everything that it can to survive in a much more roughshod fashion but with genuine bonding and humanity at the core.</i><br /><br />Well said. I obviously missed that, but now that you've pointed it out, I definitely think it was intentional. <br /><br />@Blam: <i>Granted, I've never actually been under pressure in a situation like this, but still.</i><br /><br />That's probably the out I'd use, had I written this episode. That said (I'd say to myself), in this specific situation, it isn't like Maggie didn't have some time alone, under some pressure (she's a captive) but not a ton of immediate pressure (no one is directly harming or threatening yet) to realize that lying was her best option and to come up with a story that would be believable, so she didn't have to come up with on the spot when a gun is pointed at Glen's head. <br /><br /><i>In a way it's the, or a, flip side of and/or corollary to the idea we've discussed of how a series ... can take greater liberties with its own clearly fictional fantastic stuff ... but loses a smart audience much sooner if it doesn't get real-world stuff right when we know how it should work</i><br /><br />Well said again. <br /><br />Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-2278156785570616802012-11-29T19:00:10.157-06:002012-11-29T19:00:10.157-06:00@Phantomas: Also what kind of a TV landscape do we...<br>@Phantomas: <i>Also what kind of a TV landscape do we live in where that is a thing now? </i><br /><br />Ha! I made a similar remark in a comment on Friday's <i>Last Week in TV</i>. <br /><br />@Sarah: <i>Also, just fucking lie.</i><br /><br />Why do more characters who should know better not do that? <br /><br />Granted, I've never actually been under pressure in a situation like this, but still.<br /><br />@Teebore: <i>I think it's case of the evil we know (rape) vs. the evil imagined (zombies), no matter how well executed the imagined evil is. </i><br /><br />You (and Ms. Brown and Sarah) are right. In a way it's the, or <i>a</i>, flip side of and/or corollary to the idea we've discussed of how a series — TV, comics, whatever — can take greater liberties with its own clearly fictional fantastic stuff (like Superman flying) but loses a smart audience much sooner if it doesn't get real-world stuff right when we know how it should work (like <i>The Daily Planet</i> operating the way a newspaper should or not).<br /><br />@Teebore: <i>Even with Andrea, I felt like he was insistent that she stay for some reason, whereas he cared less about Michonne. Obviously, now it seems like he just wanted to bone her, but that still feels like less of a reason than his manipulation of Andrea warranted, if that makes sense.</i><br /><br />Definitely... I'm with you guys on the vibe that there are more shoes to drop, even beyond the science experiments and lying to the general public about the sorties and keeping his daughter around. I also think that it's not so much that he cared less about Michonne than that he knew he couldn't control her. Andrea is malleable enough to his charms and deception, at least as long as he genuinely shares just enough, that it's worth keeping her around to bone — be it just for fun or for, hell, repopulating the world in his image; Michonne would've been a fantastic asset if she weren't literally and metaphorically too much of risk to keep running off the reservation. I suspect that having someone who reads as pretty savvy and competent under the Governor's thumb goes across well in terms of perpetuating his mythology and general trust.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-44126456580688175282012-11-29T18:56:26.545-06:002012-11-29T18:56:26.545-06:00Your writeup deserves a lot more by way of comment...<br>Your writeup deserves a lot more by way of comment than me simply agreeing with what you said, but you said it so well, time is tight, and I do agree with just about every point you raised.<br /><br />To be specific for example: Glen, Milton's test, WTF cabin guy, how the story isn't <i>about</i> WTF cabin guy, how far the Governor took things, not wanting Maggie to break but understanding it, Michonne not so much as mentioning Andrea purely for plot suspense, and most especially how great it was that the Woodbury PTB were so impressed that Rick's group had cleared the prison.<br /><br />My one bit to add is that not only was it nice to see the group welcome Carol back in such a heartfelt way, it was smart for the show to let us see Michonne watch that. It really felt like a comparison was being drawn, unspoken, between how the Stepford veneer of Woodbury is so patently creepy, a dark underbelly lurking beneath its tightly wound civilization, and how Rick's group is in a way that I'm sure Michonne understands doing everything that it can to survive in a much more roughshod fashion but with genuine bonding and humanity at the core.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-13705553277286826462012-11-29T13:35:38.372-06:002012-11-29T13:35:38.372-06:00@Phantomas: Also what kind of a TV landscape do we...@Phantomas: <i>Also what kind of a TV landscape do we live in where that is a thing now? </i><br /><br />One in which the traditional network model is being upended, but still has enough pull to keep things from making sense (and where network execs have realized they can advertise the hell out of a midseason finale, whereas for awhile there, they just happened with little fanfare). <br /><br />By which I mean, I'm fine with the idea that serialized shows need a set broadcasting schedule, and you can't just toss 22 new episodes randomly into 40 odd weeks of programming and expect to keep an audience these days, but shows and networks need to let go of the past even more and just air all their episodes in one run, like <i>24</i> eventually learned how to do and how the premium channels do it, instead of sticking to the outdated Fall/Spring model that has us watching half a season of a show in one year and half in another. <br /><br />Rant over...<br /><br /><i>The girl who plays Shirley on Community whose name I am to lazy to look up mentioned that it was interesting how in a show that has been as disturbing as this one has on so many levels takes a scene like Maggie's to really creep people out and get them uncomfortable. </i><br /><br />Yvette Nicole Brown (I follow her on Twitter), and she's right. I think it's case of the evil we know (rape) vs. the evil imagined (zombies), no matter how well executed the imagined evil is. <br /><br /><i>Is it just me or does the governor seem to have more up his sleeve than he has been letting on?</i><br /><br />I've definitely been getting that vibe. Even with Andrea, I felt like he was insistent that she stay for some reason, whereas he cared less about Michonne. Obviously, now it seems like he just wanted to bone her, but that still feels like less of a reason than his manipulation of Andrea warranted, if that makes sense. <br /><br />Sadly, it's probably just us reading too much into it, though. <br /><br />@Sarah: <i>I love Carl now.</i><br /><br />Right? That might be the best, fastest rehabilitation of an annoying TV character in history. <br /><br /><i>Also, just fucking lie. Instead of blurting out "prison" blurt out "walmart" and then say you have "23" people. How would they know until they go verify what you said?</i><br /><br />Exactly! Princess Leia knew that (not that it worked out for Alderaan, but it was boned anyway). It buys you time while they check it out, and even if they find out you're lying, what are they going to do? Kill you more for it? <br /><br /><i>The Govenor needs to be taken down a peg or all of them.</i><br /><br />Seriously. I want him to get some comeuppance SO BAD. <br /><br /><i>Let's have a bit of break from it, before it become tedious and loses all impact</i><br /><br />Agreed. The last thing I want is for this to be a show where you just watch to see who dies next, and it was dangerously close to slipping in that direction for awhile there. I hope it can continue to pull out of that dive. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-56415845928625304632012-11-28T10:21:34.638-06:002012-11-28T10:21:34.638-06:00oh, i also wanted to say that i am also very worri...oh, i also wanted to say that i am also very worried about Rick's group, and i'll actually be pretty pissed if anyone else dies, because i'm so tired of good guys dying this season. Let's have a bit of break from it, before it become tedious and loses all impactSarah Ahiershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02795455714801965956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-27717999904622227272012-11-28T10:20:12.205-06:002012-11-28T10:20:12.205-06:00Yeah it was a good episode. I can only hope the re...Yeah it was a good episode. I can only hope the rest of this season, and the seasons following, will continue on in this vein.<br /><br />I love Carl now. I totally believed that he could take care of the group at the prison, and be their leader, even though he's, like, 12.<br /><br />We were also pissed that Maggie broke. I started off the episode more or less stating "Don't you fricking tell them anything, Maggie" and then she did, and all it really took was a gun pointed at Glenn. I mean, come on, they're going to kill you as soon as they get what they want. Also, just fucking lie. Instead of blurting out "prison" blurt out "walmart" and then say you have "23" people. How would they know until they go verify what you said?<br />And girl, when a man is threatening to rape you, don't stand their covering your boobs. It just shows him you're afraid.<br /><br />And yeah, we were irritated that Michonne didn't mention Merle or Andrea. She has to know this is the group Andrea came from, because Andrea said Michonne knew everything about her, and yet she didn't say antyhing, which is stupid and just jeopardizes the whole rescue attempt.<br /><br />I really want the Govenor to die soon. I want him dead more than Merle, because Merle is what he is. The Govenor needs to be taken down a peg or all of them.<br /><br />And Andrea is still blah and boring.Sarah Ahiershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02795455714801965956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-87656774472802030792012-11-27T14:16:53.018-06:002012-11-27T14:16:53.018-06:00I agree all in all a good episode. I am eagerly aw...I agree all in all a good episode. I am eagerly awaiting the mid season finale next week. Also what kind of a TV landscape do we live in where that is a thing now? <br /><br />Regarding Maggie and her encounter with the governor, last week when her and Glenn got taken back to Woodbury I was terrified for her because I know what happens to the person that they end up taking in the comics. Without getting too graphic lets just say that the show held back quite a bit. It is one of the scenes that the governor was involved in that I was wondering just how far they would take it. The other will probably be coming up if they go that route. People who have read the comic will know exactly what I am referring to. <br /><br />Do you watch the Talking Dead afterwards? I thought that this week was a pretty good one. The girl who plays Shirley on Community whose name I am to lazy to look up mentioned that it was interesting how in a show that has been as disturbing as this one has on so many levels takes a scene like Maggie's to really creep people out and get them uncomfortable. <br /><br />Is it just me or does the governor seem to have more up his sleeve than he has been letting on? I know it's pretty obvious that he is nuts and he is most likely doing the research to try and cure his daughter but it seems like there is something else he is plotting. The way he talked about going out to the jail had something to it like he was interested in more than it's resources. I have just gotten a weird vibe off of him that seems to be more than just his obvious craziness. It might be me just reading into it too much though. Either way the actor is doing an amazing job with his portrayal.Phantomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05551460006238624083noreply@blogger.com