tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post4511602030469965900..comments2024-03-16T14:43:09.430-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining Uncanny X-Men #235Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-74862360775733683882019-11-08T22:48:45.616-06:002019-11-08T22:48:45.616-06:00It's a minor touch, but I loved the pencil/ink...It's a minor touch, but I loved the pencil/ink/color combination for Rogue's skinsuit in this issue (and a few others around this time.) Where Silvestri/Green tended to do a nice flat black body suit covered with green boots, tank top, etc; Leonardi his collaborators featured her baselayer as deep, deep emerald... almost black, but the highlights were green. It's a terrific, subtle effect. <br /><br />I was never too hot on Leonardi, mainly because my first exposure to him was mostly during fill-ins on a book that had Silvestri and Art Adams as regular contributors, but I never cringed when he showed up. His pacing and layout are both strong, and - as noted above - his character work is excellent, with superb body language. Bob McLennannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-46876307033066561062014-06-01T14:01:50.654-05:002014-06-01T14:01:50.654-05:00I didn't realize Genosha came in this early. T...<br>I didn't realize Genosha came in this early. Then again, I've said that about other stuff that I associate with the '90s, and it's dawning on me that, just as the very early '60s were still the '50s, the '90s started in the late '80s.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-61448808307016430212014-05-31T07:01:44.197-05:002014-05-31T07:01:44.197-05:00Ye Gods, Colossus, cover yourself up, man.Ye Gods, Colossus, cover yourself up, man.SpaceSquidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09760939592584995876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-61187321246248960102014-05-31T04:37:10.760-05:002014-05-31T04:37:10.760-05:00Branden "Mastermind's powers aren't t...Branden "Mastermind's powers aren't telepathic because it has been noted that his two eldest daughters both use telepathy to make their illusions more real."<br /><br />At first I was flabbergasted to learn that good old Jason had a third daughter. Seriously, if you have to make a family connection (which is already quite cliché), aren't there enough X-Villains to choose from ?.<br />Then I checked who it was, got angry at the twist... and then realized I had read that miniseries but didn't register that family fact at all.<br /><br />Been reading your great reviews for 2-3 years now and my first comment is about Mastermind's fertilty...<br />At least it's a Oz-men review, which remains one of my favorite runs.Frenchienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-90331395070864538122014-05-30T22:00:00.325-05:002014-05-30T22:00:00.325-05:00Great questions and replies here. This is a good s...Great questions and replies here. This is a good set up issue. But Next issue is my fav of this arc. When a certain someone goes crazy on some guards.. Love it.Taziraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14009288045314604699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-3042731384208711602014-05-30T15:46:49.289-05:002014-05-30T15:46:49.289-05:00@Matt: I've never liked when Carol would take ...@Matt: <i>I've never liked when Carol would take over Rogue's body, as we'll see in upcoming chapters.</i><br /><br />I liked that plenty. Carol couldn't just stay inside Rogue's head forever without <i>something</i> happening to the whole setup, plus it did good for Rogue's character too by showing with contrasting her persona with that of older and experienced Carol that she's essentially still a girl in her teens trying to manage it with very unfortunate sort of uncontrollable powers... which Carol didn't seem to have trouble controlling in few specific panels.<br /><br />The next issue is awesome.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-87674306639743716422014-05-30T06:51:04.944-05:002014-05-30T06:51:04.944-05:00But Betsy only clouds people's perceptions of ...But Betsy only clouds people's perceptions of the X-Men when they're using their powers and appearing in costume, which are fairly distinctive. We've seen Maddie go shopping and will see the X-Men go out in civvies on several occasions. (Although, I've never understood how Storm and Rogue can go out in civvies without being recognized. Are there really that many young women with stripes in their hair and blue-eyed silver-haired black people in the Marvel Universe?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-59199228089730421972014-05-30T03:29:15.475-05:002014-05-30T03:29:15.475-05:00I think we have to assume that the footage of the ...I think we have to assume that the footage of the deaths (and the whole event itself) was broadcast worldwide. I mean, if Psylocke is clouding people's perceptions of the X-men whenever they appear in public, wherever they appear, then people in Australia probably have a good idea of who these people are. And Maddie did a close up of her plea to Scott, and an interview as well, so it's not like she was just in the background the whole time.<br /><br />Besides that...how did she even get the job in the first place? What documents did she use to get the job? Did the Reavers computer print out everything for her? And you'd think, given how much the X-men want to preserve the illusion that they're dead, going so far as to mind-fudge people in the Savage Land of all places, Storm would have at least told Maddie that maybe using a wig and an alias if she's adamant about working on the side might be a good idea...wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-30560962878257836382014-05-29T18:53:23.942-05:002014-05-29T18:53:23.942-05:00"Wow, you look exactly like that redhead who ..."Wow, you look exactly like that redhead who died with the X-men in Dallas! I saw that on TV. And she was called Maddie as well! And gosh, wasn't she wearing some sort of pilots uniform as well? What a coincidence!"<br />To be fair, we don't know how widespread the X-Men's deaths were televised in Australia. Roger Stern once had Norman Osborn recruit a nurse from Europe who never heard the allegations that he was the Green Goblin.<br />Besides, it's difficult to recognize someone from television if you've only seen a couple of broadcasts of them. I don't think I could recognize Edward Snowden if I met him in real life. Plus, Maddie was flying in doctors and nurses- if you need a doctor or a nurse, the last thing you think of is who the pilot looks like. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-16091877041424204402014-05-29T12:08:56.270-05:002014-05-29T12:08:56.270-05:00While I appreciate the significance of the concept...While I appreciate the significance of the concept of Genosha, this has never been one of my favorite storylines. The Press Gang bore me, and the Magistrates are equally uninteresting, at least until Jim Lee gets his hands on them. Plus I've never liked when Carol would take over Rogue's body, as we'll see in upcoming chapters.<br /><br />Teebore, I agree with you that the original TMNT Nintendo game was insanele difficult. I also never got very far. I still well remember the day I got it, though. It's one of those childhood memories that's burned into my brain.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-40159597373356064632014-05-29T10:16:45.389-05:002014-05-29T10:16:45.389-05:00wwk5d: Well, some Jews worked for the Nazis, some ...wwk5d: <i>Well, some Jews worked for the Nazis, some African-Americans owned slaves...it's not a huge stretch. And for them, it wasn't much of a choice, either work as free mutants loyal to government, or under-go the mutate process.</i><br /><br />Oh, I'm not saying it's not plausible, I just wanted some inner/external dialogue, people spilling out all their conflicting emotions, thatsortofthing. Judging by what people nowadays are disparaging my hero Claremont with, one would expect there should be plenty.<br /><br /><i>Well, you've killed a few sleazoids, it's a slippery slope to officers supporting a racist regime...</i><br /><br />I applaud you, sir, for that one. :DTeemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-88896631899428455922014-05-29T09:07:56.215-05:002014-05-29T09:07:56.215-05:00"When Rogue absorbed Punchout's power, wh..."When Rogue absorbed Punchout's power, why didn't she turn evil? I thought that's what happens when she touches an evil person...?"<br /><br />Other than picking up some speech patterns, no she wouldn't. It would happen only if the mind itself is more powerful/dominant than hers. And while Punchout (who really is Frenzy's twin sister separated at birth) is superstrong, I doubt her mind is her strongest muscle ;)wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-42842228485416115382014-05-29T08:57:48.023-05:002014-05-29T08:57:48.023-05:00Also, how is Punchout's outfit NOT included in...Also, how is Punchout's outfit NOT included in the "I Love the 80s" section?wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-47471007121651067412014-05-29T08:45:48.850-05:002014-05-29T08:45:48.850-05:00"as the setting and the characters within wil..."as the setting and the characters within will become a major player across the X-books, and will be the setting for one of the franchise's annual crossovers in the future."<br /><br />As well as directionless allegory (It's South Africa! No, it's Bosnia! No, it's Israel!), since whatever status quo was set for it never stuck pre-Decimation.<br /><br />"The Genegineer, the man responsible for maintaining Genosha's dominance over mutants, is mentioned for the first time; he'll make his first actual appearance next issue."<br /><br />With Sugarman hanging out in the background! Which, ugh.<br /><br />"Rick Leonardi is back on pencils"<br /><br />And missed the memo on Rogue's new costume. At least he got it right on the cover.<br /><br />"Havok is angry enough to kill at the idea of Madelyne being harmed"<br /><br />Well, you've killed a few sleazoids, it's a slippery slope to officers supporting a racist regime...<br /><br />"Pipeline's power, while pretty cool, does make me wonder what he did with it before modems and the internet came about."<br /><br />Pipeline's power, while pretty cool, does make me wonder how the computers he uses are able to "read" the X-men and Maddie. <br /><br />"But the Press Gang, did they actually say it somewhere they are mutants?"<br /><br />Maybe not in this issue, but it does get brought up in future issues, I believe. Not sure if it's by CC, but we'll see when the Genoshans attack X-factor's ship in the #260s and the X-tinction Agenda if he does bring it up.<br /><br />"I don't remember Claremont addressing why exactly they are essentially betraying their own kind by working for Genosha"<br /><br />Well, some Jews worked for the Nazis, some African-Americans owned slaves...it's not a huge stretch. And for them, it wasn't much of a choice, either work as free mutants loyal to government, or under-go the mutate process. <br /><br />"So everyone was ok with Maddie going on a side gig?"<br /><br />I can imagine a client of hers:<br />"Wow, you look exactly like that redhead who died with the X-men in Dallas! I saw that on TV. And she was called Maddie as well! And gosh, wasn't she wearing some sort of pilots uniform as well? What a coincidence!"wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-7487002561664408782014-05-28T21:44:35.291-05:002014-05-28T21:44:35.291-05:00So everyone was ok with Maddie going on a side gig...So everyone was ok with Maddie going on a side gig?<br /><br />Reese T: Mastermind's powers aren't telepathic because it has been noted that his two eldest daughters both use telepathy to make their illusions more real.I guess he could be a very specific telepath, like Karma, where he can everyone in a certain radius experience whatever he wants them to.<br /><br />Both Charles and Betsy can alter other people's perception, but usually they have to focus on one or two minds at a time.brandenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18098413670016263499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-70031698781069903332014-05-28T20:34:23.286-05:002014-05-28T20:34:23.286-05:00Psylocke can cast illusions in peoples minds? Well...Psylocke can cast illusions in peoples minds? Well, I guess prof. X can too...soo, does that mean Mastermind is a telepath?<br /><br />Like Teemu, I also wonder if the press gang had any work done..on their genes.<br /><br />When Rogue absorbed Punchout's power, why didn't she turn evil? I thought that's what happens when she touches an evil person...?<br /><br />I agree that Leo draws everyone (within the same gender) with the same physique..."it stinks, & I don't like it!" lol<br /><br />I can see Pipeline maybe digitizing people's thoughts or even consciousness...but the whole body?? Bandersnatch! & since he didn't do it wirelessly, he's automatically a lame dated "villain"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04944426155574998463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-39632213686624167502014-05-28T15:36:40.957-05:002014-05-28T15:36:40.957-05:00Not that this matters all that much if the story i...<i>Not that this matters all that much if the story is good, but is it in-continuity? </i><br /><br />It is, but not overwhelmingly. So, for instance, the time-displaced original X-Men are in it, but I haven't read any of All-New X-Men and didn't feel lost. <br /><br />It reminded me of how much I liked Carey's original run on X-Men and how disappointed I was when Brubaker and Fraction got control of the franchise instead of him. His take on the characters seems fairly in line with Claremont's, I think.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14447265712189987074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-29214382204196205482014-05-28T15:31:40.791-05:002014-05-28T15:31:40.791-05:00(and when I say Mad Max, I of course mean Mad Max ...(and when I say Mad Max, I of course mean Mad Max 2: the Road Warrior, because no one really ever saw the first)<br /><br />(also, the Aussies were supposed to be "pissed <i>off</i>" instead of "pissed", but hilariously it's pretty correct as is, too. yet again your resident non-English speaker pulls a sandrabullock.)Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-70627090061701127982014-05-28T15:20:43.549-05:002014-05-28T15:20:43.549-05:00Also, "Mad Max fireworks"? And Mick Dund...Also, "Mad Max fireworks"? And Mick Dundee? Them Ozzies must be really pissed by now because that's pretty much what everybody every time references when there is an Oz connection.<br /><br />Mad Max is also the sneakiest 80's movie there is in the gay portrayal. Wez's (?) backseat boy getting killed by a sharp boomerang felt like an intentional stab at gays played for laughs back in the day, but nowadays I find the awesomest scene in the whole film is the one that comes right after when Lord Humongous lovingly chokeholds enmaddened Wez and soothes him down telling him "We've all lost people we loved", which suggest that even rapist murderous biker gangs in post-nuclear war Australian desert surpasses lots of 2010's people in their tolerance and acceptance. A message brought to you by the emissary of such things, Mel Gibson.<br /><br />At that time in the comics Northstar was still having merely a... secret (well okay Mystique and Destiny had a kid together but, alas, not openly).Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-58284691279542235472014-05-28T15:13:08.895-05:002014-05-28T15:13:08.895-05:00@Jeff: Off topic, but has anyone read X-Men: No Mo...@Jeff: <i>Off topic, but has anyone read X-Men: No More Mutants?</i><br /><br />I haven't, though it sounds like maybe I should. I do like Larocca's art most of the time. Not that this matters all that much if the story is good, but is it in-continuity? <br /><br /><i> I seem to be in the minority because I was kind of disappointed with it.</i><br /><br />I liked it but didn't love it. Definitely right in the middle of X-movies for me. I'll write something up about it for this week's "Last Week in Pop Culture" post. <br /><br />@Teemu: <i>Rogue's "natural" resistance to telepathy is really because there's Carol Danvers' psyche residing in her head, right?</i><br /><br />Correct. It's natural in that she's resistant to telepathy without trying, not natural in that she was born that way. <br /><br /><i>But the Press Gang, did they actually say it somewhere they are mutants?</i><br /><br />Not in this issue, but I'm pretty sure that's established somewhere, though I can't swear that Claremont is the one to establish that. Certainly, Marvel's websites/handbooks/etc. considers them mutants. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-47846608563756866662014-05-28T14:59:20.523-05:002014-05-28T14:59:20.523-05:00Rogue's "natural" resistance to tele...Rogue's "natural" resistance to telepathy is really because there's Carol Danvers' psyche residing in her head, right? It's not as natural as her tendency to, ha, fall asleep when she inhales dust, right?<br /><br />But the Press Gang, did they actually say it somewhere they are mutants? Because, I don't remember Claremont addressing why exactly they are essentially betraying their own kind by working for Genosha, or why Genosha allows them to go around without being genegineered, and he's the kind that would. Hawkshaw's "special senses" not registering Maddy would suggest they are technological rather than natural by their nature.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-15008396851381101702014-05-28T14:21:17.737-05:002014-05-28T14:21:17.737-05:00I thought Pipeline's powers were pretty cool, ...I thought Pipeline's powers were pretty cool, too. I'm still not into Leonardi's art, though. Everyone looks like puffed up steroid people.<br /><br />Off topic, but has anyone read X-Men: No More Mutants? I picked it up this week and thought it was the best X-Men comic probably since Whedon left Astonishing. Good art, an epic scope and some interesting moral dilemmas for the team and everyone is in character!<br /><br />I also saw Days of Future Past this week. I seem to be in the minority because I was kind of disappointed with it. I'll try avoid any spoilers, but I wish they had gotten Matthew Vaughn to stick around. I thought First Class had a lot of energy that was missing in Singer's X-Men movies. Also, I feel like they've done the exact same thing with Magneto in all five X-Men films. Move onto some other villains already!!!!Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14447265712189987074noreply@blogger.com