tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post3639297893478777014..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining X-Men #65Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-50646114951419177672015-03-02T08:31:16.382-06:002015-03-02T08:31:16.382-06:00Too much Jubilee in those cartoons for me to enjoy...Too much Jubilee in those cartoons for me to enjoy. Jubilee is close to the watershed for me when it stopped being fun to read the X-Men. That and the Psylocke Asianification, <br /><br />I have great nostalgic affection for this issue, including the Rube Goldberg approach to love-beam mechanics. Joe Pacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-70332065985708451752011-04-20T11:29:00.930-05:002011-04-20T11:29:00.930-05:00@Matt: But I actually liked a fair number of the v...@Matt: <i>But I actually liked a fair number of the voices. To this day, their Storm, Gambit, Beast, and especially Cyclops are the voices I hear in my head when I read those characters' dialogue in comics.</i><br /><br />Oh, I did too. "Voice acting" was probably the wrong term. Voice quality? I dunno. I meant that often the voices were badly dubbed, or obviously re-used, or didn't synch with the animation, etc. That kind of stuff. <br /><br />To this day I have a hard time NOT hearing the animated Professor X when I read him in a comic, and the animated Wolverine pops up in my head a lot too.Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-83222359218890836922011-04-19T22:12:57.584-05:002011-04-19T22:12:57.584-05:00I agree about the cartoon's animation -- tryin...I agree about the cartoon's animation -- trying to translate Jim Lee's art style to TV was not a good idea. But I actually liked a fair number of the voices. To this day, their Storm, Gambit, Beast, and especially Cyclops are the voices I hear in my head when I read those characters' dialogue in comics.<br /><br />(Although my head-Beast is slowly and involuntarily changing to sound like the guy who played him on <i>Wolverine and the X-Men</i>, as has already happened with my head-Wolverine. I could seriously go on for way, way too long about what cartoon voices I've cast as various comic book characters in my head...)Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-14536632489746323672011-04-19T15:17:04.184-05:002011-04-19T15:17:04.184-05:00@Matt: This is a total tangent, but I thought it w...@Matt: <i>This is a total tangent, but I thought it was interesting.</i><br /><br />Absolutely. And thanks for mentioning it; the whole "Changeling to Animated Morph to AoA Morph" transition is something I should have pointed out. I LOVE that the animated series (which I've always had a fondness for but had some shoddy, shoddy animation and voice acting) displayed that kind of attention to detail in making the animated Morph look like the Neal Adams Changeling.Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-59119564695921017622011-04-19T15:09:43.200-05:002011-04-19T15:09:43.200-05:00Remember when the X-Men animated series started, a...Remember when the X-Men animated series started, and they had a character named Morph in the pilot? Then a few years later was the "Age of Apocalypse" storyline, and they had a character named Morph, who was said to be the AoA's version of Changeling? At the time I thought, "oh, it's pretty cool of them to retcon this animated series character into being the same guy as the Changeling who died back in the 1960's."<br /><br />Then, about two years ago, I read these Neal Adams issues for the first time, and in the panel where Changeling comes to Xavier, he looks <i>exactly</i> like Morph's character design from the cartoon! My mind was blown; my entire world rocked to its very core. Apparently the cartoon people used Changeling as the model for Morph first, <i>then</i> the comic people brought back Changeling in the AoA using his codename from the cartoon.<br /><br />This is a total tangent, but I thought it was interesting.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-49235495733176419982010-12-16T09:15:32.984-06:002010-12-16T09:15:32.984-06:00While it's somewhat decently executed, the ret...<i>While it's somewhat decently executed, the retcon in this issue is still ridiculous and makes Xavier a worse bastard than ever before.</i><br /><br />Absolutely. For all of the criticism some fans have for the way modern writers don't seem to know of any way to write Xavier except as a manipulative jerk (criticism which isn't entirely unfounded) it's worth remembering that those writers are merely picking up on seeds planted long, long ago. <br /><br />This retcon is exhibit A in the "Xavier is a jerk" case. <br /><br /><i>And the Z'Nox are terrible villains, boring and boringly defeated by the Care Bears.<br /></i><br /><br />Yeah, the Kree or Skrulls they're not. <br /><br /><i>It does look great, because Neal Adams, but good art can only polish a turd so far.</i><br /><br />Relatively speaking, it's a turd, but I still think it can be enjoyed as a relic of the Silver Age (I mean, aliens pushing their planet through space defeated by a pseudo-science love beam? That's pretty damn Silver Age-y) in a way that other bad issues (say, issue #30, the Warlock issue, or #53, the Blastaar issue) can't.Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-32593974220082413182010-12-16T08:56:15.673-06:002010-12-16T08:56:15.673-06:00While it's somewhat decently executed, the ret...While it's somewhat decently executed, the retcon in this issue is still ridiculous and makes Xavier a worse bastard than ever before.<br /><br />And the Z'Nox are terrible villains, boring and boringly defeated by the Care Bears.<br /><br />It does look great, because Neal Adams, but good art can only polish a turd so far.JDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-1772524406543801932010-12-15T13:54:33.641-06:002010-12-15T13:54:33.641-06:00@Dr. Bitz: You know, at first I thought about all ...@Dr. Bitz: <i>You know, at first I thought about all the logistical problems of moving a planet. </i><br /><br />I've heard the mechanism the Z'Nox used to move their planet described elsewhere as a giant outboard motor, and that's about as sophisticated as it looks to be. <br /><br />Because the only problem with moving a planet can be solved by a big engine pushing it along...Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-40183940609214813342010-12-15T13:46:50.232-06:002010-12-15T13:46:50.232-06:00It goes down a lot easier when you're reading ...<i>It goes down a lot easier when you're reading it, as opposed to reading about it. </i><br /><br />I highly doubt that.<br /><br />You know, at first I thought about all the logistical problems of moving a planet. If we started to move Earth we wouldn't make it beyond the asteroid belt before everything died out.<br /><br />But then I saw the whole beam of compassion business and realized planet moving is the least of this issue's worries.Dr. Bitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13568570859981368717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-36488993177224078642010-12-15T13:29:17.206-06:002010-12-15T13:29:17.206-06:00@Falen: i think it was the beam of comapssion that...@Falen: <i>i think it was the beam of comapssion that really tipped me over the edge. I mean, really?</i><br /><br />It goes down a lot easier when you're reading it, as opposed to reading about it. <br /><br />It doesn't seem quite as ridiculous until you stop and think, "wait, did they just shoot those aliens with a love beam?"<br /><br />And I'm still not sure how Lorna can magnetically send telepathic thoughts to Marvel Girl, and how Havok can boost those thoughts with cosmic rays, and how Cyclops can shoot those thoughts as part of his optic blast...Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-4051467260533727272010-12-15T13:02:39.780-06:002010-12-15T13:02:39.780-06:00just reading about this stretches my believeabilit...just reading about this stretches my believeability - i think it was the beam of comapssion that really tipped me over the edge. I mean, really?Sarah Ahiershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02795455714801965956noreply@blogger.com