tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post1044657060355159170..comments2024-03-16T14:43:09.430-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining X-Men (vol. 2) #29Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-70947171706773129522022-09-23T03:57:12.744-05:002022-09-23T03:57:12.744-05:00Also, if it were Charlotte Jones she would probabl...Also, if it were Charlotte Jones she would probably have sat besides Warren at the Thanksgiving table which was not the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-46559527706037481852018-03-27T17:23:23.454-05:002018-03-27T17:23:23.454-05:00Well, I figured that having been a model — one wit...<br>Well, I figured that having been a model — one with purple hair, no less — from a well-heeled family once active in the London branch of the Club, she’d be familiar to at least some members inclined towards international travel or, at minimum, gossip, but that’s all far more arguable than the stuff Austin pointed out re the circumstances of the old Inner Circle’s deaths.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-19298050169640073062018-03-26T14:01:22.469-05:002018-03-26T14:01:22.469-05:00Forgot to add that I was always kind of disappoint...Forgot to add that I was always kind of disappointed nothing came of the set-up here. I wish there'd been some follow-up on Shinobi trying to re-form the Inner Circle, but unfortunately, the Hellfire Club as a concept kind of fell by the wayside for much of the 90s aside from little one-off appearance like this one here and there -- and then whenever the Club did show up, nobody every seemed quite sure what its status quo was supposed to be!Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-14646415967308325662018-03-26T13:59:05.094-05:002018-03-26T13:59:05.094-05:00I really enjoyed this issue as a youngster. I alwa...I really enjoyed this issue as a youngster. I always like the Hellfire Club and its trappings, and I especially loved the party scenario offering sort of a callback to "Dark Phoenix".<br /><br />For several years, I've considered Angel one of my favorite X-Men. And though my preferred version is the red-and-white-costumed/non-blue-skinned guy, re-reading this issue made me realize that this was probably the origin of my fondness for the character. I love the idea of tying him in with the Hellfire Club more closely than he already was, of making him a childhood acquaintance of Sebastian Shaw's son, and so forth. I also liked that Nicieza, and over in UNCANNY, Lobdell, were reminding us of his wealth and station in life. (I generally enjoy reading about rich/upper crust people, for whatever reason.)<br /><br />This issue may also be the origin of my appreciaton of Psylocke as anything more than the X-Men's eye-candy. I was really into the Revanche stuff when it first started, as I've noted here before, but that was more for the mystery than anything else. I think this is where I began to appreciate her character, and the second round of Revanche stuff, coming up after the wedding, really solidified that.<br /><br />And I was also totally on-board with the Archangel/Psylocke pairing. I think Chris Claremont once said that as Betsy's creator and, up to this point, most prolific writer, he believed Warren was all wrong for her -- but I've always respectfully disagreed with him there. The reason given here -- the privileged upbringing -- is a reasonable commonality on which to spark a friendship, and who's to say that friendship couldn't blossom into more? I think it works just fine. I followed this couple all through the 90s and I really liked them together.<br /><br /><br />"<b>Also, Ronald Parvenue, Lady Deathstrike's recent ally/benefactor over in Wolverine</b>..."<br /><br />Until recently, I never had any idea who this guy was supposed to be. I always figured that, like Dwayne Taylor, he was from one of Nicieza's other titles. Now, almost twenty-five years after the fact, I know the truth!<br /><br />"<b>There's another one of those unremarked upon moments I can't help noticing where heroes are knocked out wearing civilian clothes but then wake up in other clothes</b>..."<br /><br />Blam already addressed this, but as he said, there's actually narration talking about the pair being half-aware of this violation that they can't do anything about. I read that bit and thought, "Teebore will appreciate Nicieza acknowledging this!"<br /><br />"<b>Psylocke emerges from her Danger Room session with Sabretooth via a ridiculously cheesecake-y image</b>..."<br /><br />This image was tied with Art Thibert's MARVEL SWIMSUIT SPECIAL illustration of Psylocke as my all-time favorite picture of the character when I was a teen. I agree it's ridiculous, but it's so over-the-top that I still kind of like it, weirdly cocked hip and all.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-79727420351566567982018-03-26T13:47:55.342-05:002018-03-26T13:47:55.342-05:00And this issue is explicitly set on a Thursday, so...And this issue is explicitly set on a Thursday, so there's literally one single day between this story and the wedding!<br /><br />Which brings to mind a question that never occurred to me until just now: Cyclops's bachelor party is the night before the wedding, i.e. Friday, i.e. "tomorrow" from this issue's perspective. So that means Warren received his party invitation in the mail the <b>morning of the party</b>?! That makes no sense.<br /><br />I can't help comparing this to the Mighty Marvel's Bombastic Bronze Age style, which would have seen him receive it somewhere around issue 23, followed by a few months of sub-plot pages where he'd mull over whether to attend, followed finally by the actual party occurring this issue.<br /><br />(That's always been my favorite style of comic book writing, by the way. I prefer it much, much more than done-in-ones like this, where all the story elements happen in the same issue.)Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-15262104035426695142018-03-26T13:41:54.293-05:002018-03-26T13:41:54.293-05:00No-Prize idea: perhaps she telepathically makes pe...No-Prize idea: perhaps she telepathically makes people who knew what she used to look like think that she still looks that way?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-41902120445055264272018-03-23T13:11:24.939-05:002018-03-23T13:11:24.939-05:00I look forward to "Kubert-Specific Liquid Met...I look forward to "Kubert-Specific Liquid Metal Rollerblades", the first single from "His Default Look". I don't recall Psylocke's Asian appearance being brought up by anyone when they first encounter her post Uncanny #256. For that matter, everyone seemed to just know it was her, which seemed perfectly plausible when I was a pree-teen. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00347023924872659184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-40179438535701671662018-03-22T07:04:24.779-05:002018-03-22T07:04:24.779-05:00I don't think anyone (without a comicbookdb.co...I don't think anyone (without a comicbookdb.com profile) at the party is supposed to personally or even by looks know Elizabeth Braddock. She's there for the first time and courtesy of her membership in the London branch.<br /><br />The revelation is just the Kwannon shebang on the whole I guess. The other girl has Betsy's likeness.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-1418825922362792602018-03-21T21:45:16.896-05:002018-03-21T21:45:16.896-05:00The last few word balloons on Pg. 10, between Hank...<br>The last few word balloons on Pg. 10, between Hank and Bets— uh, Psylocke, look to have been relettered with (one would presume) new dialogue. What is “the revelation of the past few weeks” supposed to be, anyway? Even before this exchange I was trying to recall if there’d been a resolution to the Psylocke/Revanche deal yet beyond them both having elements of both Kwannon’s and Betsy’s psyches.<br /><br />Nobody at the party bats an eye at Elizabeth Braddock now being Asian, or, more likely from their perspective, at this woman of Asian descent representing herself as Elizabeth Braddock. I really wanted something like, “You got the purple hair right, but… ah… How do I put this?”<br /><br /><i>// where heroes are knocked out … but then wake up in other clothes //</i><br /><br />There <i>is</i> a caption stating that the pair “feel gentle hands on them… touching, stroking, changing their clothes…,” which is even skeevier than it just not being remarked upon.<br /><br /><i>// issues #26 & #26 //</i><br /><br />Now that’s ’90s. 8^)<br /><br />Manacles and Muzzle is my new band name. First album: <i>His Default Look</i>.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-70215637029781549182018-03-21T20:12:58.534-05:002018-03-21T20:12:58.534-05:00I agree.I agree.Cesar R. Pontualhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06375109987794647615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-30631301827843291752018-03-21T19:23:45.019-05:002018-03-21T19:23:45.019-05:00I think it being Stevie Hunter at Thanksgiving mak...I think it being Stevie Hunter at Thanksgiving makes more sense since she's been hanging around the mansion as recently as Executioners Song. John Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12600335496622438290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-78670862756984954102018-03-21T16:41:14.821-05:002018-03-21T16:41:14.821-05:00"As of this issue, the Cyclops/Jean wedding i..."As of this issue, the Cyclops/Jean wedding is "Saturday"."<br />Child's Play, X-Force 34 and Cable 9-11 all happen between this issue and the wedding- Cable must have been exhausted.<br />Can somebody explain to me how Shaw was a probationary member in the backup story in Classic X-Men 7, which takes place circa X-Men 99, but was a member of the club when Warren was a child? That must have been a LONG probation.<br />"maybe they called things off, off-panel, then"<br />In Uncanny X-Men 322, Jones criticizes Warren for dropping her out of his life without explanation.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-66570570689231481762018-03-21T10:54:36.495-05:002018-03-21T10:54:36.495-05:00I can't help wondering: what might Andy Kubert...I can't help wondering: what might Andy Kubert have felt, after having drawn GHOST RIDER #29 "Biting the hand that feeds you!", of being here now and setting the very Image-generation Shinobi Shaw as the head honcho of the classic Hellfire Club.Teemunoreply@blogger.com