tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post8060359732626332453..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining Uncanny X-Men #270Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-20759636059772982082015-09-26T11:06:57.796-05:002015-09-26T11:06:57.796-05:00Zephyr, If you notice the CLASSIC X-MEN story, it&...Zephyr, If you notice the CLASSIC X-MEN story, it's suggested that Warren already had his negative opinion of Wolverine before he made moves on Jean, although the act made things worse. I could argue that if it was Peter or maybe Kurt who was flirting with Jean, Warren would have waited and then privately but kindly tell that person that Jean is spoken for. With Wolverine, forget the civility!angmc43@hotmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379700547226493861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-47251437662295084112015-09-26T04:02:36.067-05:002015-09-26T04:02:36.067-05:00Blam, just imagine a bulky Swedish man with such m...Blam, just imagine a bulky Swedish man with such moustache in an after-ski party. Thas answer is enough.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-86823151221413862422015-09-25T20:36:35.656-05:002015-09-25T20:36:35.656-05:00@Teemu: // Larry Hama had Logan bork Mystique //
...<br>@Teemu: <i>// Larry Hama had Logan bork Mystique //</i><br /><br />Wait. So <i>that’s</i> what the Swedish Chef has been saying all these years? I understand Finnish is entirely different so maybe not, but…<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-14692723352972455602015-09-25T00:37:03.974-05:002015-09-25T00:37:03.974-05:00@Jason
Nice one.
Inferno is definitely the first...@Jason<br /><br />Nice one.<br /><br />Inferno is definitely the first we see the retcon consummated on page in the main titles, but the timing of the return of Jean, Classic #1 and, a few months later, the start of Wolverine showing on panel hots for Jean in Uncanny couldn't be coincidence? <br /><br />I can't remember if there were other prominent mentions prior? If not, I wonder if this was the time Claremont decided to spice it up a bit. <br /><br />Maybe with Jean editorially brought back, he had her hook up with the Wolvster as a dig to management. No happy ending, so now an indecent relationship with one of the most violent characters at Marvel! <br /><br />Then the clean cut silver-era Angel (which got made hardcore by editorial cause he was too standard) butts in and sticks up for Scott/Jean. In fact, wasn't his hate retconned in Inferno to be about Jean instead of the more ambiguous crazy guy stuff mentioned when Angel leaves the team in 140s? <br /><br />Just spitballing here.Zephyrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-53764498238284370462015-09-24T15:10:08.030-05:002015-09-24T15:10:08.030-05:00My personal suspension of disbelief on the whole ...My personal suspension of disbelief on the whole "why are X-Men visible to cameras now?" Was that the siege perilous wiped that away. Yes, I realize there were instances prior of them being captured on camera, but I'm going to go out on a limb and call those...mistakes. <br /><br />-MNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-60659611607669934582015-09-24T14:18:51.797-05:002015-09-24T14:18:51.797-05:00Larry Hama had Logan bork Mystique who was masquer...Larry Hama had Logan bork Mystique who was masquerading as Jean Grey and getting commented on it, though that could be seen as a taunt by Mystique for his mostly-onesided affection.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-60367040804046138472015-09-24T14:01:35.663-05:002015-09-24T14:01:35.663-05:00Thanks, Jason -- After I mentioned the movies, I r...Thanks, Jason -- After I mentioned the movies, I realized that couldn't have been it, since there was a triangle in the X-MEN cartoon series on Fox, which took most all its cues from the comics as well.<br /><br />Though I would suggest that perhaps the movies are what brought <b>everyone</b> around to the idea of the triangle. Grant Morrison ran with it in NEW X-MEN, Claremont used it in X-MEN FOREVER, and I feel like in general it's become a recognized and accepted part of X-Men lore, where up until 2000 it was mainly just something Claremont played with. Throughout the nineties, most writers presented Jean and Wolverine as having a special bond of some sort, but it wasn't of a romantic nature.<br /><br />(Though I tend to prefer the seventies version best, where Jean is committed to Cyclops and is generally repulsed by Wolverine's overtures, making him an unrequired third wheel.)Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-29070221643924154092015-09-24T12:42:13.543-05:002015-09-24T12:42:13.543-05:00Classic X-Men #1 is when Claremont retcons Jean in...Classic X-Men #1 is when Claremont retcons Jean into having mutual attraction with Logan. Published 1986, after Jean's resurrection ... but well before the movies, obviously.<br /><br />Later issues of Classic play with it as well. (#27 is a big one). <br /><br />All of this is before the dynamic gets integrated into Uncanny and X-Factor, which started with Inferno.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-46979956894459378822015-09-23T01:27:24.587-05:002015-09-23T01:27:24.587-05:00@Matt
Yeah that totally makes sense. Reading thr...@Matt<br /><br />Yeah that totally makes sense. Reading through the back issues definitely showcases a lack of interest on Jean's part. I am not sure when it first came up, I think on Teebore or Jason's blog someone mentioned a retcon in Classic X-Men. Not sure if that is after or before it starts coming up around Jean's reappearance. <br /><br />@Teemu<br /><br />Lol. <br /><br />Scary thing is, we are talking about science fiction here and I am pretty sure we are not far off from better bots that can read content to post more specific to sites. Gotta love some AI. Oh, and I'm not a robot.Zephyrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-44337607779063000392015-09-22T12:06:35.233-05:002015-09-22T12:06:35.233-05:00Stella looks like Emma Frost, but all this anti-ag...Stella looks like Emma Frost, but all this anti-aging is more a Selene thing. I hate when addbots do shoddy work with their research.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-29969591285698019452015-09-22T02:36:48.580-05:002015-09-22T02:36:48.580-05:00I really enjoy the short young Storm vs Jean fight...I really enjoy the short young Storm vs Jean fight,brandenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18098413670016263499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-90845732017061464632015-09-22T01:44:41.059-05:002015-09-22T01:44:41.059-05:00Like, in silver-haired tech armor guy capable of t...Like, in silver-haired tech armor guy capable of taking down the Superman way.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-58040891218745966722015-09-22T01:32:11.338-05:002015-09-22T01:32:11.338-05:00Blam: Maybe it’s too self-evident to reference but...Blam: <i>Maybe it’s too self-evident to reference but there’s a Dark Knight DK talking head in Genosha on that opening page.</i><br /><br />No, it needs to be mentioned, but with added note that it's a call back to the Leonardi-drawn #237 and original Genosha story, where the Genoshan Ministry of Information courteously presents Genosha facts to us, with helpful commentary by Logan.<br /><br />It's painful but I really feel that of all the Miller emulators who ushered in the comic decade of the 90's, Claremont may really have been the worst offender what with Elektra-Betsy and Carrie-Jubes and everything. Unless of course one thinks that Cable somewhat resembles middle-aged Bruce Wayne.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-68483367019985185452015-09-21T23:39:06.296-05:002015-09-21T23:39:06.296-05:00Zephyr -- Inthink I've made this same mistake ...Zephyr -- Inthink I've made this same mistake in clarification here before. I really need to pay more attention. What I mean is, at some point Claremont decided there was mutual love/lust at first sight between Jean and Wolverine, when if one reads his own comics from the seventies it's quite plain that Jean was repulsed by him and his feelings were completely unrequited, as she was completely in love with Cyclops. But for reasons unknown, Claremont eventually decided to ret-con himself and declare that they had always had mutual feelings for each other.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-38172239047508961892015-09-21T23:26:11.764-05:002015-09-21T23:26:11.764-05:00Maybe it’s too self-evident to reference but there...<br>Maybe it’s too self-evident to reference but there’s a <i>Dark Knight</i> DK talking head in Genosha on that opening page.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-92035475569208925372015-09-21T22:56:41.289-05:002015-09-21T22:56:41.289-05:00@Matt
"Never existed?"
Wolverine was...@Matt<br /><br />"Never existed?" <br /><br />Wolverine was sure pretty hot for her throughout the mid-late Claremont run and Jean definitely felt something; Cyclops also showed a bit of jealousy. The Wolvster went psycho over Jean's scent in 215, opined over his love for her in 239 and had a sweet splash page make-out session with her in 242, while Cyclops looked mopey and Jean commented on Wolvie's kissing skills.<br /><br />It comes up again here, where I am pretty sure "little terror" is mean rather affectionately. Then in chapter 5 I think, as Cameron Hodge puts them in the same cell. They make-out again pretty hard core and Hodge talks about his inside knowledge of Jean's feelings. The Archangel/Wolvie fight is about Jean, and Warren's captain save her mentality. And once again in the final chapters as Wolverine and Cyclops verbally joust over her. Granted, all these issue mentions aren't Claremont, but it was clear that a "love triangle" was on the agenda.Zephyrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-30424549352783950652015-09-21T22:38:53.123-05:002015-09-21T22:38:53.123-05:00"X-Tinction Agenda" was always (and rema..."X-Tinction Agenda" was always (and remains) my least favorite X-Men crossover, partly because Genosha has never done much for me and I don't like Cameron Hodge, and partly because the artwork in the non-UNCANNY chapters is absolutely horrendous.<br /><br />"<b>Jean mentions that Professor Xavier's favorite book is The Once and Future King by T.H White, and that he always imagined himself less as Arthur and more as Merlin, leading Storm to wonder who the X-Men's Arthur is.</b>"<br /><br />...it's Cyclops, obviously.<br /><br />"<b>Jean references a heretofore unseen encounter between her and Wolverine, in which they kissed just prior to the events of X-Men #98</b>..."<br /><br />Note that, while he has her admit that Wolverine is a decent kisser, Claremont also has Jean refer to him as a "little terror". I think his common sense was still intact at this point. I wish I knew exactly when he lost his marbles and decided Jean and Wolverine were seriously meant for each other. I suspect it was around the time the first X-MEN movie came out and gave us the full-on love triangle which had never existed in the comics.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-55751006315856616182015-09-19T05:36:29.087-05:002015-09-19T05:36:29.087-05:00Nice post! Glad I got to know this.
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Nice to see ...Ah, Cable, you sanctimonious asshole. Nice to see some things never change.<br /><br />Dani's never around to punch him in the face when you need her to be.Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12407819392886240666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-87264749991925153312015-09-18T12:04:48.236-05:002015-09-18T12:04:48.236-05:00Wow, it finally here. Look at that cover, so sick...Wow, it finally here. Look at that cover, so sick. Love me some X-Tinction Agenda.<br /><br />Regardless of how it came about, this issue really ramped up the excitement. 268 and 269 were good, but there hasn't been an issue that just makes me want to keep reading X-Men since maybe Acts of Vengeance. <br /><br />The pacing is great, with some early setup and characterization and then the hammer dropping towards the end with the Genoshans' attack. We obviously already know its the Genoshans, but with Lee's artwork they look a bit updated and unfamiliar. This makes it all the more surprising and gripping when they start blasting away led by Havok.<br /><br />The Aussie era and the Shattered Star/Rebirth arcs is my favorite XMen run based on the anything-goes, dynamic story telling. However, it is super cool to see the XMen come back together and interact with other mutants and characters woven into the X-Universe throughout the years.<br /><br />To me, XTinction Agenda is the culmination of those dynamic times and a great payoff due to the amazing Jim Lee artwork, regathering of X forces, relevant villains, political intrigue, and overall impact to the title.Zephyrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-65217946584688999152015-09-18T09:27:00.217-05:002015-09-18T09:27:00.217-05:00There have been a lot of instances of X-Men, sudde...There have been a lot of instances of X-Men, suddenly, being detectable by cameras, monitors, computers, etc. in books published around this period. I suppose the only in-story explanation that can be offered is that Roma's spell must have just "worn off" at some point. I guess everything has an expiration date.Cerebronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-49365246770105112852015-09-18T07:12:46.836-05:002015-09-18T07:12:46.836-05:00Gotta love how Valance of Star Wars turns into Cab...Gotta love how Valance of Star Wars turns into Cable commenting on Mickey Mouse. You did it on purpose, Teeb. ;)<br /><br />Claremont obviously having his say on several of his characters having been out of his reach for a while now, starting from Jean commenting on Phoenix/Maddie. Nice one from Rahne about the X-Men <i>getting "better"</i>, should be a honorary mention under Claremontisms.<br /><br />Roma's spell stops working because she's the guardian of <i>all</i> realities, including the one where Claremont realizes the concept was a miss.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-42218931240826967702015-09-18T04:26:47.049-05:002015-09-18T04:26:47.049-05:00The original TPB reprint of this issue removed the...The original TPB reprint of this issue removed the Lila subplot and added a piece of Rahne, Rictor, and Boom Boom waiting at the door of the Danger Room. The two newer New Mutants complain about Storm and Marvel Girl getting sovereignty because their association with Professor Xavier, with Rahne defending Xavier. I thought that was a nice bit, reminding one that Rahne was among Xavier's last class of students during Claremont's run.<br />Suppose Jean and Ororo were also fighting about boyfriends? Ororo: "This is for having the beginning of something with Forge a few weeks ago!" Jean: "This is for cozing up with Scott during the Brood saga!"<br />Wasn't there already some School For Gifted Youngsters paraphenalia? CC's run on NM had jackets and T-Shirts.angmc43@hotmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379700547226493861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-33268839306224469982015-09-17T21:47:12.271-05:002015-09-17T21:47:12.271-05:00"nor is there much discussion given to why th..."nor is there much discussion given to why the Siege Perilous decided that Havok's heart desire was to lead a force of Nazi-esque zealots (presumably, given his later role as X-Factor's leader and his ongoing struggle with existing in his brother's shadow, it's the "leader" part the Siege acted on, the rest being the result of dramatic irony on Claremont's part)."<br />According to Claremont, the original plan was for Alex to lead the RESISTANCE in Genosha. Maybe he did and got captured and brainwashed?<br />"Despite Roma's spell, Forge and Banshee are able to observe Storm on the Danger Room's monitors. Perhaps the exception that allowed the X-Men's computers at the Reaver base detect them has been extended to the X-Mansion?"<br />Sure but explain Magneto's Savage Land base and the camera in Wolverine.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com