tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post7501653362297079876..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining Uncanny X-Men #289Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-80487650935655663432022-08-16T13:04:13.258-05:002022-08-16T13:04:13.258-05:00"I pretty much expect to find the word "..."I pretty much expect to find the word "mess" somewhere in the comments of every post-Claremont issue at this point."<br /><br />Well, there might be a reason for that then, no?<br /><br />Also, nitpicking doesn't mean people don't enjoy comics, it just means some people just might not enjoy these particular comics. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-14626298775791317702022-08-16T13:02:31.525-05:002022-08-16T13:02:31.525-05:00"I pretty much expect to find the word "..."I pretty much expect to find the word "mess" somewhere in the comments of every post-Claremont issue at this point."<br /><br />Well, there is a reason for that...also, nitpicking doesn't mean we don't enjoy comics, it means for some of us, we don't necessarily enjoy these particular comics. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-62791279006977953112021-02-01T21:21:26.567-06:002021-02-01T21:21:26.567-06:00So much nitpicking occurs in the comments section ...<i>So much nitpicking occurs in the comments section that sometimes I wonder if y'all even enjoy comics.</i><br /><br />Keep in mind, a nitpick doesn't necessarily denote negativity; I can nitpick the hell out of plenty of stuff I love, and that doesn't make me love it any less. The issues of this vintage represent some of my earliest reads (this one in particular is literally the first issue of UNCANNY X-MEN I ever read) and hold a special place in my heart: while I can objectively see the faults reading now and can have fun picking nits, nothing is ever going to change that the fundamentally warm feelings I have for issues from this era. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-58132193002099483792021-01-30T21:47:34.787-06:002021-01-30T21:47:34.787-06:00So much nitpicking occurs in the comments section ...So much nitpicking occurs in the comments section that sometimes I wonder if y'all even enjoy comics. I pretty much expect to find the word "mess" somewhere in the comments of every post-Claremont issue at this point.<br /><br />Being overly concerned with nervous Bobby brushing his teeth after putting on his suit or who took the picture of Xavier and the X-Men has me shaking my head in disbelief.<br /><br />Anyway, I think the 2-part Storm/Forge story is just fine. Forge is right that Ororo hasn't paid an ounce of attention to him and Lobdell basically calls out the previous writers on it. He's correct and therefore it was a perfect way to write-out Forge.<br /><br />As for Portacio, I think his artwork is wonderful and he really shines right up until is final issue. The white space he leaves is intentional as a stylized choice.<br /><br />I definitely recall the big color error in this issue (Storm's face and "X" logos) but luckily they corrected it in the Bishop's Crossing OHC, which I'm reading right now (I had all of these issues via subscription as a 9-10 year old).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-34956338381498556522016-10-04T01:39:54.517-05:002016-10-04T01:39:54.517-05:00There could have been some tension with her and Cy...There could have been some tension with her and Cyclops or Professor X over leadership of the X-men. It still revolves around the X-men, but it's there and there was some stuff there in the Claremont run.<br /><br />I assume Gambit was originally going to be her love interest and there would be a triangle with Forge. Reread his dialogue from X-tinction Agenda after Storm turns into an adult.<br /><br />"Storm's next kiss should be mine." I'm paraphrasing.<br /><br />She was also the former/current leader of the Morlocks, but we know that gets wrapped up in a couple of issues...but there is the Marrow stuff at the end of Lobdell's run.<br /><br />CRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-60682179365402683942016-10-01T14:29:42.194-05:002016-10-01T14:29:42.194-05:00When you're right, you're right.When you're right, you're right.Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-58622745665059894602016-10-01T08:13:25.092-05:002016-10-01T08:13:25.092-05:00'I want to know who was taking all of these ph...'I want to know who was taking all of these photos of Xavier and the original X-Men. Fred Duncan? There aren’t many options in terms of folks who knew about the whole setup at the mansion back then. Maybe the Professor would call in the paperboy and then mind-wipe him. What really gets me is that Xavier is laughing; I’m guessing Portacio wasn’t actually too familiar with that era.'<br />Well, let's not forget the graduation scene from X-MEN#7 V1 was done without a person, and one of the members was telekinetic.angmc43@hotmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379700547226493861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-59131542960671898922016-09-30T15:10:03.704-05:002016-09-30T15:10:03.704-05:00"To be fair, this is an abridged version of w..."To be fair, this is an abridged version of what you just described."<br /><br />Not really, it isn't. My point was to have Storm and Forge interact with each other once the reboot started, and them coming to the realization that they just couldn't make the relationship work. And then he leaves. What we got instead was no real scenes between the two of them until this issue and the next, and...it's just a badly written mess. <br /><br />Also, aren't they unaware that Mystique is "mentally ill" until she starts acting weird next issue? And as Matt points out, they're letting her run around the mansion unsupervised. If they know she's insane, that makes their decision to do so even more strange. wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-30479783152258367852016-09-30T12:36:20.192-05:002016-09-30T12:36:20.192-05:00Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at. I...Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at. In college I made peanuts, but I was still able to pay for gas, food, and most of the comics I wanted to read! Nowadays, if I was making the current equivalent of what I made back then, there's no way I could afford the number of comics I bought during that period.<br /><br />I don't condone piracy by any means, but given how the price of comics has skyrocketed relative to what younger people make, it's not hard to see why so many go that route when it's an option.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-82824971996923796262016-09-30T12:29:57.924-05:002016-09-30T12:29:57.924-05:00Though they kept Sabretooth locked up in the Dange...Though they kept Sabretooth locked up in the Danger Room for his entire stay, as I recall -- and when he did get to go out, he usually had his Hannibal Lector accoutrements on. Mystique seems to have the run of the place in this issue with no supervision.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-66957709456985912242016-09-30T10:02:52.177-05:002016-09-30T10:02:52.177-05:00"They really dropped the ball on the Storm an...<i>"They really dropped the ball on the Storm and Forge relationship. Rather than ignoring it, I'd much rather they addressed it as a subplot once the reboot started, and then have him written out because he and Storm couldn't work it out. Instead, we get this weird 2 issue subplot."</i><br /><br />To be fair, this is an abridged version of what you just described.<br /><br />About Mystique, keep in mind that she was supposed to be mentally ill at this point (although later stories suggest she was totally faking it), which might make the team a bit more sympathetic to letting her stay. And don't forget that in a few years time, they'll be letting the <i>much</i> more unstable Sabretooth stay at the mansion.Jon Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11783906806644566810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-8857643789083124692016-09-29T21:08:59.298-05:002016-09-29T21:08:59.298-05:00The “it’s been months” remark from Mystique surpri...<br>The “it’s been months” remark from Mystique surprised me too, just the way such references always do, although often I’m left wondering exactly what longer amount of time would really make sense. And then I got whiplash as Forge said mere pages later that he’d known Storm “for years” — even if that’s ameliorated somewhat by the year of subjective time they spent together, which he does also mention, on the Adversary’s world. <br /><br />Bobby’s dad being 70 threw me for a loop as well.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-47582519121053425442016-09-29T21:02:48.548-05:002016-09-29T21:02:48.548-05:00I want to know who was taking all of these photos ...<br>I want to know who was taking all of these photos of Xavier and the original X-Men. Fred Duncan? There aren’t many options in terms of folks who knew about the whole setup at the mansion back then. Maybe the Professor would call in the paperboy and then mind-wipe him. What really gets me is that Xavier is laughing; I’m guessing Portacio wasn’t actually too familiar with that era.<br /><br /><i>// while Bobby nervously prepares for a date with Opal //</i><br /><br />So nervously that he only brushes his teeth after he’s put on his suit <i>and</i> finally tied that necktie.<br /><br />Mystique staying at the mansion is a considerable favor on Xavier’s part, all things… um… considered. Which makes her confronting Warren in the guise of his old self even more of a schmuck thing to do, and I’m not entirely sure whether we’re supposed to buy that she really thought she was helping or not.<br /><br />All told Lobdell’s script is once again better than I had expected given the general impression of his stuff I recall having when reading the <i>Fatal Attractions</i> era off the racks while working at a comics shop, so I should probably stop being surprised. I’m unlikely to love what he does, sure, but I do appreciate the sense of history on display in contrast to the relaunch’s immediate wake.<br /><br />I also like the cover; the interior art, much less.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-66473742826833496832016-09-29T12:37:39.530-05:002016-09-29T12:37:39.530-05:00I remember when comics weren't taxable, at lea...<i>I remember when comics weren't taxable, at least in California!</i><br /><br />That's pretty cool. We have no sales tax on clothing here in MN (or groceries), which is one of the reasons we also have the Mall of America, but I'd much prefer no tax on comics. :) <br /><br /><i>Back when they were $2.50 and I was a starving college student, I was still able to pick up pretty much everything I wanted to read. Nowadays in that position, I'd feel screwed.</i><br /><br />Ditto. I mean, I buy less now, as a grown adult with a big person job, than I did as a starving college student, despite my increased earning power. Obviously, I also have greater demands on that income than I did back then, but the ratio of comics to disposable income is just all out of whack nowadays, sadly. <br />Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-1670147325112823932016-09-29T12:31:31.016-05:002016-09-29T12:31:31.016-05:00The big problem with Storm is that, when you'r...The big problem with Storm is that, when you're defining characteristic is "no life outside the X-Men", it's hard to do any kind of stories with her that aren't X-Men stories. Which is, I think, one of the reasons she suffers more than most in the decade ahead. <br /><br />Cyclops can always have relationship drama with Jean (and his brother, and eventually Cable), Bishop is from the future, Wolverine and Gambit have the whole mysterious past thing, Rogue the "don't touch me!" angst, Psylocke the "man, my character's gotten pretty mangled and everyone seems to think the best way to fix it is to mangle it some more" thing, etc. Storm's got the "I am a leader of the X-Men" thing, which doesn't really open doors to many stories beyond the ones where she's leading the X-Men. <br /><br />That's why I love the Mohawk/Powerless Storm era so much; it's really the only time she gets to do something other than be a quietly efficient superhero (Iceman has this problem too, but the 90s solve it by hitting the "not living up to his power's potential" well a few dozen times). Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-39823773924800682452016-09-29T12:26:38.638-05:002016-09-29T12:26:38.638-05:00Oh yeah, it's not impossible, and Bobby could ...Oh yeah, it's not impossible, and Bobby could certainly have been born when his dad was in his 40s, but on average, I think most people would assume he was born when his dad was late 20s/early 30s (at least I did), which would put Iceman closer to 40 than I imagine was intended. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-10783509643059232732016-09-29T12:23:59.928-05:002016-09-29T12:23:59.928-05:00Next issue's is pretty striking. I like it.Next issue's is pretty striking. I like it. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-64264009571035210282016-09-29T12:23:32.403-05:002016-09-29T12:23:32.403-05:00I'm surprised Portacio didn't get a writin...<i>I'm surprised Portacio didn't get a writing/plotting co-credit this issue. </i><br /><br />Me too, especially since he's clearly still pitching (or had pitched) ideas, like the Mikhail stuff in the next issue. <br /><br /><i>but...aren't they all (with exception of Storm) just a bit too blase about having her at the mansion? </i><br /><br />Probably, but also Rogue is there, and they just took in the (from some perspectives) murderous Bishop, and Mystique is at least a known element, and also Magneto ran their school for awhile, and in the years ahead we'll be seeing more and more villains brought onto the team. So while it may not make much sense, it's at least consistent. <br /><br /><i>Which means everything that happened since the Mutant Massacre till this issue happened in just the span of a few months? Interesting. </i><br /><br />Given Marvel's Sliding Timescale, all those events probably all happened in the span of a few days at this point. <br /><br /><i>Given that it's something of a character driven issue, I don;t mind that he's focusing on the characters via non-traditional paneling.</i><br /><br />I'd like it more if I was more convinced it was a legit artistic choice and not just born of laziness. <br /><br />I do like the cover though, and next issue's as well. <br /><br />@Mela: <i>Also, kind of explains why Bobby stayed in the closet & faked it as long as he did.</i><br /><br />Good point! <br /><br />Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-89626886228190837752016-09-29T12:03:47.942-05:002016-09-29T12:03:47.942-05:00Now we're getting into a chunk of issues I hav...Now we're getting into a chunk of issues I have little recollection of. I think I mentioned before that I bought the full stack of 281 - 288 at our local convention a couple years after the fact, probably around 1993 or so. I didn't start reading UNCANNY regularly until another couple years later, though I did get the random issue as part of a crossover. The first issue I bought off the stands was 294, part one of "X-Cutioner's Song" -- and I think I've only read 290 - 293 once, maybe twice, in my life.<br /><br />Interestingly, I did read UNCANNY for the full stretch of 294 - 300, then I dropped it again. I picked up 304 for "Fatal Attractions" and randomly bought 305 as well, then dropped it <b>again</b>. I suspect I was turned off by John Romita, Jr.'s artwork back then, since most of the issues I bought were drawn by Brandon Peterson or fill-in artists. Issue 316 was my first as a regular, ongoing reader -- nearly a year and a half after I'd started reading X-MEN on a monthly basis with #20 -- and the main draw for me at that point was Joe Madureira (and his fill-in knock-off, Roger Cruz).<br /><br />"<b>(I'm pretty sure mom and dad were always willing to cover the tax).</b>"<br /><br />I remember when comics weren't taxable, at least in California! Back when the cover price was one dollar, I could go into a store with exactly a buck and come out with a comic. I think that changed around 1991 or '92.<br /><br />Though I had read many comics over the years when they were 65 or 75 cents, $1.00 was my "entry level" price -- but I think they raised it to $1.25 not long after. I distinctly recall all the increases up to $2.50, I think, then I started to lose track. I can't believe what the things cost nowadays. I feel like inflation has hit comics a lot harder than almost anything else I buy. Back when they were $2.50 and I was a starving college student, I was still able to pick up pretty much everything I wanted to read. Nowadays in that position, I'd feel screwed.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-65874400680550891942016-09-29T07:29:14.154-05:002016-09-29T07:29:14.154-05:00"And if Bobby's dad is such a bigot, why&..."And if Bobby's dad is such a bigot, why'd he even agree to the dinner in the first place?"<br /><br />As someone with racist relatives, some of them relish the chance to be loud & proud in their bigotry. I can't think of any other reason besides enjoying being utter jerks, but I've seen it in action, and Lobdell might not be subtle but he's not inaccurate. (Also, kind of explains why Bobby stayed in the closet & faked it as long as he did. When you've seen it in action against others, you don't want to be the next target.)Melahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05539894845356203447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-21720493149286916512016-09-29T05:55:20.195-05:002016-09-29T05:55:20.195-05:00Sadly Claremont set the foundation for the Ororo/ ...Sadly Claremont set the foundation for the Ororo/ Forge split here, not only with Destiny's inference to him in #255 of his and Raven's futures being intimately entwined, but Jean's subtle flirting with him in #263-4. Interesting on this last point with Lobdell having Jean here then be the one casting the doubt on their relationship here that is the catalyst for the break. Nathan Adlerhttp://fanfix.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-21537858916506165702016-09-29T05:11:37.934-05:002016-09-29T05:11:37.934-05:00Mystique is talking of comic book "months&quo...Mystique is talking of comic book "months", the measure of time used when you don't want/can't commit to more specific time scale. "Months" can be 36 months, for example.<br /><br />I liked the Forge/Storm/Mystique thing becoming alive at this point, for reasons that will come up in the next issue.<br /><br />Let's hope Bobby finds a nice American boy his dad will feel comfortable with.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-1701369265836232242016-09-29T02:22:16.870-05:002016-09-29T02:22:16.870-05:00This is a strange issue because it does get someth...This is a strange issue because it does get something right about Storm (she has no life outside of the X-men) but Lobdell, Waid, Fabian, and everyone else that followed Claremont couldn't figure out what to do with her and never understood the tension in her character.<br /><br />For me, Storm is the most interesting leader of the X-men because she struggled in that role. Cyclops never questioned his own actions and most of the tension in his character centered on his relationship with Jean. Cyclops and Storm become boring characters during this era, while Wolverine, Bishop, Gambit, and Rogue get all of the attention.<br /><br />Even Archangel, who might ironically be the bright spot of the original X-Factor run, becomes boring. This is one of the few times he deals with his transformation, then there's X-Cutioner's song, he starts dating Psylocke, and he gets his original wings back. There was so much they could have done with his character during this era.<br /><br />So much wasted potential.<br /><br />CRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-57691959323264909392016-09-28T19:22:36.870-05:002016-09-28T19:22:36.870-05:00"Also, Iceman refers to his father as a seven..."Also, Iceman refers to his father as a seventy year old man, which seems to suggest that Iceman, youngest of the original X-Men, is older than he's probably meant to be at this point."<br />Not necessarily- if Bobby's dad had him at the age of 46, Bobby would be 24 right now.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-72691216495456962582016-09-28T16:00:46.204-05:002016-09-28T16:00:46.204-05:00Yeah, this or the following cover might be Portaci...Yeah, this or the following cover might be Portacio's best for the series. It's striking, at least.John Fnoreply@blogger.com