tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post7407545494792995851..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: Game of Thrones 3x02: Dark Wings, Dark WordsAustin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-34984904969722831552013-04-16T17:14:39.659-05:002013-04-16T17:14:39.659-05:00@SpaceSquid: The problem here isn't the Lannis...@SpaceSquid: <i>The problem here isn't the Lannisters (well, it is, but he doesn't know that), it's Joffrey Baratheon. There's every chance he would muck up a hostage exchange just because he could, and having had her husband die at his command, you'd think Cat would have worked that out. </i><br /><br />Yeah, when I say "the Lannisters", I pretty much mean Joffrey, even though I know that's not technically true nor entirely fair. <br /><br />So yeah, while I could see someone like Tywin honoring a prisoner exchange, I just see Brienne showing up and Joffrey ordering his guards to kill her outright. <br /><br />Good point also about Cat thinking this exchange had been agreed to already; I'd forgotten about that. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-15127326898260287752013-04-13T13:10:34.332-05:002013-04-13T13:10:34.332-05:00That's part of what made what Catelyn did so s...<i>That's part of what made what Catelyn did so stupid: Robb had Jamie, and could have brokered an exchange for his sisters, but since he couldn't do that and hold his army together, Catelyn took it upon herself to free Jamie and send him to King's Landing with Brienne, as though the Lannisters would just hand over the girls to some random woman who showed up with Jamie. <br /></i><br /><br />I take the point, but actually this is (for once) a little unfair regarding the Lannisters. If Brienne shows up and says "Lady Catelyn Stark and I freed Jaime, and you are therefore in our debt", the Lannisters would honour that - and remember Catelyn thinks they've already agreed to the swap (which doesn't mean she's not stupid to trust Littlefinger). <br /><br />The problem here isn't the Lannisters (well, it is, but he doesn't know that), it's Joffrey Baratheon. There's every chance he would muck up a hostage exchange just because he could, and having had her husband die at his command, you'd think Cat would have worked that out.SpaceSquidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09760939592584995876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-92109874883879325652013-04-13T11:30:39.533-05:002013-04-13T11:30:39.533-05:00@Blam: You know/remember way more about this stuff...@Blam: <i>You know/remember way more about this stuff than I do.</i><br /><br />To be fair, I'm really remembering the intentionally-vague conversation I had with my brother (who has read all the books) last season about the Brotherhood when Arya first showed up in Harrenhal. It also helps that I'm about 3/4 of the way done with the first book, so Ned sending out the force that becomes the Brotherhood Without Banners didn't happen that long ago in my memory (as opposed to when I saw it on the show, which was much longer ago). <br /><br /><i>I've since read the recap at Nikki's and see he is in fact known as Hot Pie</i><br /><br />I only know that's his name because of the internet. I had him as "Tubby" in my notes before I read a recap that called him Hot Pie. <br /><br /><i> I figured that she was making her way back to wherever she thought Catelyn was so that Catelyn had Jamie to use as a bargaining chip to get her daughters back.</i><br /><br />That's part of what made what Catelyn did so stupid: Robb had Jamie, and could have brokered an exchange for his sisters, but since he couldn't do that and hold his army together, Catelyn took it upon herself to free Jamie and send him to King's Landing with Brienne, as though the Lannisters would just hand over the girls to some random woman who showed up with Jamie. <br /><br /><i>You can blame the British accents, plus of course my not having read the books, for me thinking they were all saying "Wog"</i><br /><br />And I'll once again credit the internet, cuz I was similarly unsure if they were saying "warg" or "wog". <br /><br /><i>Her conversations with Joffrey and with Sansa both had me concerned about how mercenary she might be in terms of the ends justifying the means</i><br /><br />Ditto. That's my big reservation about a character I'm otherwise really enjoying (not that having that reservation is a bad thing - never hurts to keep us on our toes). <br /><br /><i>"Great. Not only did I have to sleep with that fat boor Robert Baratheon to become queen and make my son heir to the Iron Throne, but now I'm going to have to seduce my son on top of it all."</i><br /><br />Ha! Sadly/hilariously, I wouldn't put it past her...<br /><br />@SpaceSquid: <i>Well, it's at least arguable that Brienne thinks she's living on borrowed time anyway. With Renly dead she may just be looking for a way to give her life as gloriously as possible. </i><br /><br />That's a good point. We haven't really gotten inside her head too much yet, but I could see that being the case. <br /><br /><i> I can't remember whether she's figured Stannis was responsible or not. </i><br /><br />Nor can I, now that you mention it. <br /><br /><br /><br /> Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-73660338611456146922013-04-12T10:28:39.967-05:002013-04-12T10:28:39.967-05:00I'm also liking the Brienne/Jaime interactions...<i>I'm also liking the Brienne/Jaime interactions and expect that they'll end up together at some point. One more thorn in Cersi's side.</i><br /><br />Well, Jaime did say he's never cheated on his sister. Mind you, it has been an absolute minimum of one year/seventeen episodes since he was last laid...<br /><br /><i>Though I do wonder what Brienne expects to happen when they show up at King's Landing</i><br /><br />Well, it's at least arguable that Brienne thinks she's living on borrowed time anyway. With Renly dead she may just be looking for a way to give her life as gloriously as possible. Showing up at the Red Keep and shouting "Hand over Sansa and Arya or I chop the Kingslayer's head off!" isn't a plan that's massively likely to work (particularly given how hideously uncaring Joffrey is), but if she ends up getting her bluff called, executing Jaime and dying as she takes on every Lannister guardsman east of the God's Eye is probably the kind of way she'd like to go. <br /><br />Especially if she figures the Lannisters had a hand in the shadow assassin. I can't remember whether she's figured Stannis was responsible or not.SpaceSquidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09760939592584995876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-24907608382855447872013-04-11T21:59:30.685-05:002013-04-11T21:59:30.685-05:00if I'm piecing it all together
You know/reme...<br><i> if I'm piecing it all together </i><br /><br />You know/remember <i>way</i> more about this stuff than I do. I'm not gonna get to read the books any time soon and I can't spare the hours to rewatch previous episodes, so I've just surrendered myself to a lot of the contextual detail. When Season Two began I was just glad to be able to tell Jon Snow and Robb Stark apart.<br /><br />Case in point: I have no idea if you're kidding with calling that guy Hot Pie or if that's actually his nickname in-story. [NB: I've since read the recap at Nikki's and see he is in fact known as Hot Pie.]<br /><br /><i>I was a little disappointed that Arya's sword fighting skills were so lackluster</i><br /><br />No kidding. I was expecting the play against the audience's expectations (or at least against the usual trope) to be that she wasn't magically brilliant, not that she couldn't last a millisecond.<br /><br /><i>I'm also, despite myself, getting a kick out of Jamie's banter with Brienne, his never ending attempts to needle her. </i><br /><br />Agreed.<br /><br /><i>Though I do wonder what Brienne expects to happen when they show up at King's Landing.</i><br /><br />Huh. I figured that she was making her way back to wherever she thought Catelyn was so that Catelyn had Jamie to use as a bargaining chip to get her daughters back. Like I said, I'm fuzzy on the details. Agreed on Robb and Catelyn, though, too, although I did appreciate that story about Jon.<br /><br /><i> We'd already pieced together that he was a Warg </i><br /><br />Is that what he is? You can blame the British accents, plus of course my not having read the books, for me thinking they were all saying "Wog". 8^)<br /><br /><i>Her seduction of Joffrey in this episode was one of the best scenes of the season so far.</i><br /><br />My favorite part of that was how laughably earnest-but-thinking-he's-cool Joffrey was and him probably not even getting his own subtext. "Do you like my crossbow? Huh? Do you?" was bad enough. "Do you want to hold it? Watch it shoot with uncanny aim!" Sheesh.<br /><br />You're right though about us getting a different perspective on her than her charity in the previous episode, despite a sense that she was doing that for reasons beyond simply acting humane or even ingratiating herself to the public on behalf of the monarchy so that she'd be harder for Joffrey or Cersei to get rid of. Her conversations with Joffrey and with Sansa both had me concerned about how mercenary she might be in terms of the ends justifying the means — and <i>that</i> assumes that her ends are in fact benign.<br /><br /><i>I'm continuing to love watching Cersei flail about, desperate to maintain her power over Joffrey in the wake of Margaery's arrival</i><br /><br />There's a small part of me that wonders when she's going to think, "Great. Not only did I have to sleep with that fat boor Robert Baratheon to become queen and make my son heir to the Iron Throne, but now I'm going to have to seduce my son on top of it all."<br /><br /><i>Wherever the Hell Theon Is </i><br /><br />I love it.<br /><br />Grandmother Mrs. Peel: "Once the cow's been milked, there's no squirting the cream back up her udder, so here we are to see things through. What do you say to <i>that</i>, Lady Sansa?"<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-73239538016416335102013-04-10T17:14:27.345-05:002013-04-10T17:14:27.345-05:00@Sarah: Also we laughed when Jaime told Brienne no...@Sarah: <i>Also we laughed when Jaime told Brienne not to scowl before striking since it gives her away, then immediately puffs out out his cheeks as he goes to strike at her. </i><br /><br />Ha! I totally missed that. On most shows I'd say this idea is preposterous, but I wonder if that wasn't intentional, to further show that Jamie and Brienne are similar/evenly matched? <br /><br />It's a small detail, but with this show, I could see someone thinking to put it in there intentionally. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-53774576829253177552013-04-10T10:26:48.631-05:002013-04-10T10:26:48.631-05:00Good points all around. We were pissed Arya couldn...Good points all around. We were pissed Arya couldn't hold onto the sword too. I mean, i don't have any sword training, but i think i could keep my grip.<br /><br />Also we laughed when Jaime told Brienne not to scowl before striking since it gives her away, then immediately puffs out out his cheeks as he goes to strike at her. <br />But that choreography was very nicely doneSarah Ahiershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02795455714801965956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-65078140404974081342013-04-09T15:58:20.777-05:002013-04-09T15:58:20.777-05:00@Anonymous: she was trained using Needle, a sword ...@Anonymous: <i>she was trained using Needle, a sword made and balanced for a girl her size and considerably smaller and lighter than the blade she was wielding.</i><br /><br />I know. It makes sense that she got the sword knocked out of her hand. I still would have liked her to hang on for at least one strike. <br /><br /><i>I'm also liking the Brienne/Jaime interactions and expect that they'll end up together at some point. </i><br /><br />I hadn't really considered them ending up together, but I like the idea. Especially, as you say, for the effect it would have on Cersei. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-62169987369096987232013-04-09T14:29:01.326-05:002013-04-09T14:29:01.326-05:00To be fair to Arya, she was trained using Needle, ...To be fair to Arya, she was trained using Needle, a sword made and balanced for a girl her size and considerably smaller and lighter than the blade she was wielding.<br /><br />I have never understood, absent the actor's modesty, why torturers always leave the pants on their male victims and Theon's already had his bits out twice.<br /><br />I'm also liking the Brienne/Jaime interactions and expect that they'll end up together at some point. One more thorn in Cersi's side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com