tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post6243864771319933883..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining Wolverine #17Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-84394299544546291742015-02-10T14:01:45.096-06:002015-02-10T14:01:45.096-06:00The Daredevil appearance seems extraneous until yo...The Daredevil appearance seems extraneous until you consider the issue's inker. Maybe Byrne wanted to draw some Daredevil for Janson to ink, and asked Goodwin for that brief scene.<br /><br />Though I agree an actual Wolverine/Daredevil crossover would've been pretty cool at the time.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-10997971197032930032015-02-10T10:39:43.458-06:002015-02-10T10:39:43.458-06:00@Blam: This was a fine explanation once he was in ...@Blam: <i>This was a fine explanation once he was in Madripoor, but for me it didn't quite jibe with the prologue.</i><br /><br />Yeah, it's...not the strongest rationale, simply because it pretty much is undermined by the issue itself. <br /><br />Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-67347274104778724622015-02-03T19:16:18.189-06:002015-02-03T19:16:18.189-06:00// he can better control the animal within him by ...<br><i>// he can better control the animal within him by giving it a bit of the leash, from time to time //</i><br /><br />This was a fine explanation once he was in Madripoor, but for me it didn't quite jibe with the prologue. He'd already gone full berserker in Australia. If the prologue had been about how he felt it coming on, getting short with the other X-Men or going too far in a bar fight in town, okay; as it was, given what we saw, even though he was apparently fine enough the next day to wear his civvies and talk with Storm, I couldn't figure out why he'd want to go to Madripoor — which is the closest he gets to a kind of civilian-identity escape (actually, it's more like his real-life version of the Holodeck) and where the people of Lowtown are under his protection — instead of running wild in the Outback.<br /><br />Also, I know that it's a good idea to have in costume on the cover and, yeah, I like the suit too, but it doesn't at all gibe with either his Patch "disguise" or the fact that it's still supposed to be secret that Wolverine is alive.<br /><br />I like Byrne/Janson for the most part. Byrne at this point (maybe as it ever was) is really dependent on his inker — very much including himself, in terms of how much he felt like putting into it or, more charitably, whether his experimentation worked or not. What's strange is seeing obvious Byrne poses with the overall veneer reading as Miller/Janson, particularly in the Daredevil pages and the three early panels of flashback to Japan. The Novak lettering makes it look as much like Byrne to me as anything of Byrne himself that comes through.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-49725046106614086042015-02-03T09:01:24.921-06:002015-02-03T09:01:24.921-06:00@wwk5d: But man, that version of Storm is rough.
...@wwk5d: <i>But man, that version of Storm is rough.</i><br /><br />Yeah. It almost seems pasted in, just for how atypically bad it is. <br /><br /><i>I love how Wolverine is calling Gateway Old Timer. Did Goodwin not know that Wolverine was supposed to be an "Old Timer" himself at this point?</i><br /><br />I'm willing to chalk it up to Wolverine just calling him as such since Gateway is old, even if Wolverine is technically older than him. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-20402188790657511142015-02-01T01:49:57.236-06:002015-02-01T01:49:57.236-06:00" The cover image from this issue's cover..." The cover image from this issue's cover is mildly iconic, and pops up in a various places (ads, licensing material, etc.) in the future. "<br /><br />Around 1990 literally the only Marvel merc there was available for us were 1) cardboard comic book holder boxes that had a pic of Wolverine (the one with running claws down at you and grinning) in the side showing out when you put them on a shelf (the cover for Secret Wars #1 on both of the larger sides and Spidey in his black costume on the side opposing Wolverine) and 2) a white t-shirt with this pic of Wolverine, both available only from the publisher and advertised in the inner covers of the comic books.<br /><br />Got an amount of those boxed and one tee.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-39046386193792163512015-01-31T09:13:03.486-06:002015-01-31T09:13:03.486-06:00"I love how Wolverine is calling Gateway Old ..."I love how Wolverine is calling Gateway Old Timer. Did Goodwin not know that Wolverine was supposed to be an "Old Timer" himself at this point?"<br />I think that the important thing to remember is that at this point most of the references to Wolverine being "old" had him as an adult in 1944. The exception is Wolverine 5, where Jessica says that the tintype of Wolverine and an adult Chang was from the 19th century but the art made Chang look like he was in his 60s or 70s, so I don't blame Goodwin for being confused by that. So if Goodwin thought Logan was 65, then Gateway could be old enough to be his father.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-59439563954434799712015-01-31T01:32:36.320-06:002015-01-31T01:32:36.320-06:00For the most part, I like the Byrne/Jansen art com...For the most part, I like the Byrne/Jansen art combo. But man, that version of Storm is rough. Not the same way Byrne used to draw her. It's almost like he's trying to match Silvertri's version, with the perky nose, and exaggerated eye brows and eye lashes. It does not look good. <br /><br />I love how Wolverine is calling Gateway Old Timer. Did Goodwin not know that Wolverine was supposed to be an "Old Timer" himself at this point?<br /><br />So the DD stuff was thrown in just because Byrne wanted to draw him? Ok. It does seem likes missed opportunity for a real crossover, though. wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-74780822295824757632015-01-30T21:04:17.121-06:002015-01-30T21:04:17.121-06:00My bad. Maybe I got it mixed up with the "Nu...My bad. Maybe I got it mixed up with the "Nuke" stuff in the following issue, which emphatically IS from Miller's DD.<br /><br />Sorry!Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-79003188092948987372015-01-30T19:57:32.081-06:002015-01-30T19:57:32.081-06:00"As for the Daredevil thing, I'm pretty s..."As for the Daredevil thing, I'm pretty sure that's a scene from a Frank Miller "Daredevil" issue, and that super-cocaine was a plot point of the Miller story in question. I am assuming that the source of the super-coke was never explained in the Daredevil run, so Goodwin is establishing the connection here so that the continuity fans in the audience understand that he's following up on a plot point from a different corner of the Marvel Universe."<br />I don't think the super-coke was ever mentioned in a Daredevil story before this. I think the flashback was there solely to give Byrne a chance to draw Daredevil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-78389652147830247482015-01-30T16:46:05.934-06:002015-01-30T16:46:05.934-06:00@Jason: . I am assuming that the source of the sup...@Jason: <i>. I am assuming that the source of the super-coke was never explained in the Daredevil run, so Goodwin is establishing the connection here so that the continuity fans in the audience understand that he's following up on a plot point from a different corner of the Marvel Universe.</i><br /><br />Assuming you're right (and I have no reason to doubt you) that's pretty awesome. Even if the connection is lost on me, I always appreciate when creators do stuff like that. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-91344418240112637732015-01-30T12:57:17.635-06:002015-01-30T12:57:17.635-06:00One other thing about this issue, for us young gee...One other thing about this issue, for us young geeks reading month to month, was that we (okay I) was very excited and keen to see Wolverine in his X-Men costume going forward, after Peter David put him back into it for "Gehenna." Then you go through the first 21 pages of this issue, and it's like, "Aw man ..." Especially given that it's John Byrne ... you want to see him in the outfit Byrne designed! (Not that I probably knew that bit of trivia at the time ... still!)<br /><br />Then I got to Page 22 and was all, "Ahhhh, yessss." Eleven-year-old me was pleased.<br /><br />As for the Daredevil thing, I'm pretty sure that's a scene from a Frank Miller "Daredevil" issue, and that super-cocaine was a plot point of the Miller story in question. I am assuming that the source of the super-coke was never explained in the Daredevil run, so Goodwin is establishing the connection here so that the continuity fans in the audience understand that he's following up on a plot point from a different corner of the Marvel Universe.<br /><br />Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.com