tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post6199915682900968051..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining New Mutants #16Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-90853669359576062502020-04-22T23:56:42.398-05:002020-04-22T23:56:42.398-05:00At the very end of the comic. White Queen seems to...At the very end of the comic. White Queen seems to be drooling over discovering that Illyana is a teleporter with long range.DBCooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11972315969613865697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-5806751569916080552013-03-15T15:52:46.976-05:002013-03-15T15:52:46.976-05:00@SpaceSquid: The girl has a reputation to maintain...@SpaceSquid: <i>The girl has a reputation to maintain, after all...</i><br /><br />Ha! Yes indeed. :)Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-35595687417543084832013-03-15T09:01:25.204-05:002013-03-15T09:01:25.204-05:00"To be fair, I don't think there was anyt..."To be fair, I don't think there was anything about their plan that required two female guards to conveniently show up."<br /><br />I just assumed this was to ensure Dani got to spend some time in her underwear again, even if this time we didn't see it. The girl has a reputation to maintain, after all...SpaceSquidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09760939592584995876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-91676976599646309052013-01-14T16:00:19.809-06:002013-01-14T16:00:19.809-06:00@Blam: How convenient that the New Mutants have su...@Blam: <i>How convenient that the New Mutants have such exact opposite numbers in the Hellions!</i><br /><br />The odd ones out, of course, being Illyana/Amara and Empath/Roulette, unless you want to line up Empath with Dani (both take advantage of emotional states) instead of Dani and Tarot (both make images "real" in some capacity). <br /><br /><i>If, all things being equal, there's no reason these characters can't be women, they should be women.</i><br /><br />That's Claremont's thinking, yeah (though I don't know if it extends as far out as to random "extras", so to speak). <br /><br />My point was more that Claremont just happened to make them female, for reasons other than plot convenience. That is, the plot point served by the guards was giving the New Mutants knowledge of where Kitty was being held. Their gender to that effect was irrelevant; Claremont (or Buscema, perhaps) made them female for some other, ultimately irrelevant reason. <br /><br />Had they been male, then Dani and Illyana would have just snuck around without disguises like the rest of the team. Nothing they did specifically required them to be in disguise, thus the only plot convenience comes from any guards just happening to come by when the New Mutants needed intel, but given the setting, I don't think it's reaching too much to suggest easy access to some Hellfire goons. <br /><br /><i>Unlike everything else about the series so far.</i> *rimshot*<br /><br />Nicely done. :)Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-89077266359978292562013-01-13T18:22:00.263-06:002013-01-13T18:22:00.263-06:00White Queen: "The grave is a mutant's onl...<br>White Queen: <i>"The grave is a mutant's only lasting sanctuary."</i><br /><br />Uh... Not so much with the lasting.<br /><br />How convenient that the New Mutants have such exact opposite numbers in the Hellions!<br /><br />Focused Totality is my new band name.<br /><br />@Teebore: <i>To be fair, I don't think there was anything about their plan that required two female guards to conveniently show up.</i><br /><br />Wait... According to previous conversations on Claremont's approach, isn't that exactly why the guards would be female? If, all things being equal, there's no reason these characters can't be women, they should be women. Although with that said I admit that seeing the flunkies walk by with female shapes made me do a double-take and sure seemed like Claremont was, er, stacking the deck towards putting Illyana and Dani in those uniforms for plot reasons.<br /><br />@Matt: <i>I took a moment to glance at the Hellions model sheet last night, and it's not dated at all</i><br /><br />Unlike everything else about the series so far. <i>*rimshot*</i><br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-64299735293237513452013-01-11T17:30:42.426-06:002013-01-11T17:30:42.426-06:00@Matt: but knowing Claremont, I lean more towards ...@Matt: <i>but knowing Claremont, I lean more towards procrastination on his part. </i><br /><br />I say it with all due respect to the man, but ditto. Totally. <br /><br />Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-18111164423861733312013-01-11T13:28:59.266-06:002013-01-11T13:28:59.266-06:00I took a moment to glance at the Hellions model sh...I took a moment to glance at the Hellions model sheet last night, and it's not dated at all, so it could have been drawn at any time. It's also only one sheet showing all of the team; for some reason I had thought it was more than that.<br /><br />But anyway, yeah... it sounds like Claremont probably held off on introducing the Hellions for longer than expected. I guess it's possible McLeod was commissioned to design them after leaving the title, especially if Claremont wanted his co-creator to receive a royalty for creating the title's main villains too -- but knowing Claremont, I lean more towards procrastination on his part.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-1422964080613766582013-01-10T15:20:07.286-06:002013-01-10T15:20:07.286-06:00@Matt: According to bonus material in the New Muta...@Matt: <i>According to bonus material in the New Mutants Classic volumes, the Hellions were designed by Bob McLeod. </i><br /><br />Interesting. That kind of makes you think Claremont had been sitting on the idea for awhile (note to Past Claremont: the Nova Roma story would have been a good place to shorten things up to allow for the Hellions to appear sooner), or else McLeod designed them well after he'd left the title.<br /><br /><i>Funny how there just happen to be some female Hellfire guards just when two female cast members need to sneak around unnoticed.</i><br /><br />To be fair, I don't think there was anything about their plan that required two female guards to conveniently show up. That is, the other New Mutants moved around without disguises, and there's no plot-based reason, say, a male and female guard couldn't have had their uniforms accosted by Roberto and Rahne. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-10496257858969329982013-01-10T14:30:15.409-06:002013-01-10T14:30:15.409-06:00According to bonus material in the New Mutants Cla...According to bonus material in the <i>New Mutants Classic</i> volumes, the Hellions were designed by Bob McLeod. I don't recall if there were dates on his model sheets, so I'm not sure if he drew them when the series started, or closer to their first appearance here.<br /><br />Funny how there just happen to be some female Hellfire guards just when two female cast members need to sneak around unnoticed. Reminds me of old episodes of <i>G.I. Joe</i> where there were absolutely no generic female Cobra Joe troopers unless the plot required them to exist.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.com