tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post5913113672167185916..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining New Mutants #62Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-32339880961528529282014-04-09T22:11:23.747-05:002014-04-09T22:11:23.747-05:00Except that she wanted revenge on him on issue 43-...Except that she wanted revenge on him on issue 43- she didn't argue "Empath did nothing wrong by Nova Roman standards." And now, she's like, "OK, he raped two of my friends but he's hot."<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-3726139734230952232014-04-08T21:11:24.847-05:002014-04-08T21:11:24.847-05:00Amara is a member of a very high (Nova) Roman fami...Amara is a member of a very high (Nova) Roman family and has on record been quite open to the idea of there being servant slaves wearing rags (UXM 189). If <i>Spartacus: Blood & Sand</i> is anything to go by with, she may have surprisingly little scruples with how you treat people under your control and Empath conveniently can have lots of people under his control.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-15530618666883470462014-04-07T16:17:15.814-05:002014-04-07T16:17:15.814-05:00Wow. I did not know that Jon J Muth had drawn an i...<br>Wow. I did not know that Jon J Muth had drawn an issue of <i>New Mutants</i>. Lovely.<br /><br /><i>// This issue is said to take place a day before Doug's funeral. //</i><br /><br />Just the opening with the New Mutants, I would think.<br /><br />Splash page: "Catspaw will begin this lesson posing on a wooden block for no apparent reason. Go!"<br /><br />Amara tears her uniform around the midriff to bandage her leg after a jaguar scratch, instead of ripping off, say, a sleeve. Of course I realize that is a distant, distant, distant, distant, distant, distant, distant, distant, distant second to the story's most problematic foray into sexual politics, but still.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-42862445221385062212014-04-06T06:30:21.677-05:002014-04-06T06:30:21.677-05:00About the mutie name-calling...In an episode of ST...About the mutie name-calling...In an episode of ST. ELSEWHERE, Howie Mandel's Dr. Fiscus makes an anti-semetic joke in front of his friends. When one of those friends (David Morse's Dr. Morrison) mentions that, Fiscus counters with "I'm Jewish, I'm allowed."angmc43@hotmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379700547226493861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-69213104104216286872014-04-04T15:46:44.460-05:002014-04-04T15:46:44.460-05:00"The Hellions mockingly refer to Amara as &qu..."The Hellions mockingly refer to Amara as "Mutie" or "New Mutie", which seems odd considering several of them are mutants themselves."<br /><br />I believe a mutant can call another mutant "Mutie" but a non-mutant can't call a mutant "Mutie." It's their word.Dr. Bitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13568570859981368717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-4503560675188612922014-04-04T07:15:35.299-05:002014-04-04T07:15:35.299-05:00Even worse, Amara seems to be forgiving Empath for...Even worse, Amara seems to be forgiving Empath for what he did to Sharon and Tom. Note to Amara- you don't have that right, you're not the one that was raped.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-44194194757912334482014-04-04T06:02:58.600-05:002014-04-04T06:02:58.600-05:00You know the anger people felt on Monday night ove...You know the anger people felt on Monday night over HIMYM being such a narrative betrayal? That's how I feel about this issue. You do not take the character who is maybe a half-inch at most away from being a serial rapist & give him a "love brings redemption" storyline. Claremont went out of his way to point out that Empath was the only Hellion beyond any hope of redemption, to the point where even pre-reform Emma thought he was an evil bastard; deciding he's the one to pair up with one of the heroines for some reason (I suspect because he was the whitest of the Hellion boys) is beyond stupid & insulting to the audience. It's one of the major reasons I hate Simonson's run, even if it was just a one & done. It never should have been done at all.<br /><br /><i>"After yelling at each other and slapping one another around, Amara and Empath kiss. As you do, apparently."</i><br /><br />So many movies, TV shows, & comics use this trope, and it baffles me. If you're fighting that much, it's because you reeeeally love each other - it's because you really don't get along. It's so bizarre & unhealthy (just like this issue), and it keeps turning up. I will never understand it.Melahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05539894845356203447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-35423461986739372192014-04-03T21:11:02.628-05:002014-04-03T21:11:02.628-05:00Jon J Muth drew an issue of New Mutants. That'...Jon J Muth drew an issue of New Mutants. That's mind-blowing. I really like his art on Moonshadow, Sandman 74, Lucifer, and other random comics. Putting him on New Mutants seems like an odd decision. Imagine if they let another surrealist/ painter got ahold of the New Mutants!<br /><br />- Mike LoughlinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-66923451614737706662014-04-03T16:27:13.884-05:002014-04-03T16:27:13.884-05:00"*Are* all the Hellions mutants? I'm pret..."*Are* all the Hellions mutants? I'm pretty sure Jetstream is just a cyborg (his jets being mechanical but part of his body), and isn't Catseye some kind of weird alien, as opposed to a mutant cat version of Woflsbane?"<br /><br />Yes, no, and no.<br /><br />Jetstream is a "cyborg" because his body couldn't handle the pressures of his flight based powers. The Hellfire Club basically provided the upgrades to his body, so that he could now channel the energy his flight based powers produce via his cybernetic enhancements, in return for his services to them, what his being a po boy from Morocco whose parents couldn't afford to pay for the medical bills themselves. I hope that makes sense.<br /><br />Catseye is a mutant too. In her case, she was born in her cat form, though, was abandoned by her parents, and grew up raised by stray cats. Which is why she tends to think of herself as a cat that turns into a human. I hope that makes sense.<br /><br />But yeah, they're both mutants. wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-74512273013279555572014-04-03T16:07:11.499-05:002014-04-03T16:07:11.499-05:00@Matt: Don't the New Mutants sometimes refer t...@Matt: <i>Don't the New Mutants sometimes refer to themselves as "the Muties" too, or am I misremembering?</i><br /><br />Occasionally, yeah. I don't think Simonson recalls exactly how offensive a term Claremont intended for "mutie" to be. <br /><br />@wwk5d:<i>Unless Simonson was setting up a storyline for CC's return that never happened, it really seems like Simonson had no interest in Amara. </i><br /><br />I think we're past the point now where Simonson knew Claremont wasn't coming back, though she certainly didn't seem to care for Amara. I'm guessing that maybe the whole "Hellfire Club's interests" subplot was something she was setting up (via Amara, here)/interested in, since it gets referenced again later even without Amara, and she just never got around to doing much with it before Liefeld took over and pushed her out. <br /><br /><i>Something not even today's blockbuster crossovers can match.</i><br /><br />Indeed. I'm not sure yet if this series would have been considered on the decline, sales-wise, but I have no doubt that even at its lowest point, it would have outsold anything from today. <br /><br /><i>Well, the HC are evil mutants, but they are also evil capitalist mutants. Emma and Sebastian must hear 'Cha ching!!!" whenever they think of Nova Roma.</i><br /><br />True, though there's definitely an air of there being more to their interest than just "pillage it for wealth/natural resources". It ends up getting tied in with their whole "control Selene" subplot that gets lost in all the Upstarts business. <br /><br />@Jason: <i>Another strange thing -- and I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet -- is that the Hellions are mutants themselves.</i><br /><br />A. Nicely done. <br />B. *Are* all the Hellions mutants? I'm pretty sure Jetstream is just a cyborg (his jets being mechanical but part of his body), and isn't Catseye some kind of weird alien, as opposed to a mutant cat version of Woflsbane? Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-11017557499452708762014-04-03T15:47:01.436-05:002014-04-03T15:47:01.436-05:00"Adios, Amara! You may not have been someone ..."Adios, Amara! You may not have been someone who received much attention in this title, but you were always a welcome addition."<br /><br />I respectfully disagree ... :)<br /><br />I forgot, I actually HAVE read this issue. In fact, I own a copy. I remember little about it ... I think I was just curious about the Empath/Amara stuff. (Though I don't know why, since I have very little affection for either character.)<br /><br />Anyway, as people have already pointed out ... Nice art.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-27048188173491399362014-04-03T15:45:41.606-05:002014-04-03T15:45:41.606-05:00""which seems odd considering several of...""which seems odd considering several of [The Hellions]] are mutants themselves." / "Even odder is that all The Hellions are mutants themselves..."<br /><br />Another strange thing -- and I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet -- is that the Hellions are mutants themselves.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-74028341958889286582014-04-03T14:18:39.223-05:002014-04-03T14:18:39.223-05:00"So do the Hellions turn up anywhere between ..."So do the Hellions turn up anywhere between now and their untimely demises, or is this pretty much it for them?"<br /><br />They show up in The New Warriors.<br /><br />"This issue catches readers up with Amara after her departure for the Massachusetts Academy in issue #57."<br /><br />Unless Simonson was setting up a storyline for CC's return that never happened, it really seems like Simonson had no interest in Amara. <br /><br />"The Statement of Ownership appearing in this issue lists the average number of copies per issue sold during the preceding twelve months as 368,964, with the single issue nearest to filing date selling 351,573."<br /><br />Something not even today's blockbuster crossovers can match.<br /><br />"Empath is unwilling to use the full extent of his power to humiliate Amara."<br /><br />Awww, he must really wuv here!<br /><br />"The Hellfire Club's interests in Nova Roma are again referenced...though we never learn much more about them."<br /><br />Well, the HC are evil mutants, but they are also evil capitalist mutants. Emma and Sebastian must hear 'Cha ching!!!" whenever they think of Nova Roma.<br /><br />"which seems odd considering several of [The Hellions]] are mutants themselves."<br /><br />Even odder is that all The Hellions are mutants themselves...<br /><br />"Empath (who, let's not forget, once tried to make two people sex each other to death, mainly for shits and giggles"<br /><br />Well, at least they would have come to a satisfying end, no?<br /><br />"The art here is also nice"<br /><br />Yes it is.<br /><br />Adios, Amara! You may not have been someone who received much attention in this title, but you were always a welcome addition. At least you avoided being in the Gossamyr, Spyder, and Asgard storylines...wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-38333971027840928862014-04-03T14:16:30.375-05:002014-04-03T14:16:30.375-05:00So do the Hellions turn up anywhere between now an...So do the Hellions turn up <b>anywhere</b> between now and their untimely demises, or is this pretty much it for them?<br /><br />"<b>The Hellions mockingly refer to Amara as "Mutie" or "New Mutie", which seems odd considering several of them are mutants themselves.</b>"<br /><br />Don't the New Mutants sometimes refer to <b>themselves</b> as "the Muties" too, or am I misremembering?<br /><br />"<b>Tomorrow, it'll be snowing in Minnesota</b>..."<br /><br />It will be raining in California, but we're supposed to get into the sunny 70s this weekend and the 80s by middle of next week! :-)Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.com