tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post5183909327971492199..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining Uncanny X-Men #242Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-47902607717127469042023-06-23T11:31:30.131-05:002023-06-23T11:31:30.131-05:00Havok's comments to Scott come off as hilariou...Havok's comments to Scott come off as hilariously self-righteous here considering that he's hooking up his brother's wife (who looks like Jean. So he in a sense is banging TWO sister-in-laws at once!) And we you combine this with Alex's consistent characterization of feeling insecure about being in Scott's shadow, and this relationship has a whole mess of bizarre implications.Jon Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11783906806644566810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-92105559381546908712014-08-20T02:30:11.113-05:002014-08-20T02:30:11.113-05:00I have an affinity for this crossover simply for t...I have an affinity for this crossover simply for the fact that it actually has the x-teams <i>meet</i> after spending WAY too long being forced away from each other. Notice this simple act resolves about 75% of the subplots of BOTH books that were allowed to fester for years? As a result the books can now stop spinning their wheels on things that should have been resolves ages ago. (and actually I've heard that even THIS point was forced upon Claremont by the change in editorial.)Jon Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11783906806644566810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-46068588814287238212014-08-12T07:53:20.470-05:002014-08-12T07:53:20.470-05:00"I was thinking more align the lines of Psylo..."I was thinking more align the lines of Psylocke and the others being influenced more, because of the darker path they've taken. <br />Claremont pretty much established that the Outback team was more about pre-emptivness, and being highly aggressive. So to ME, it fits that the X-men have succumbed more or less to the effects of the Inferno."<br />Which would be fine, except that Warren and Rachel are also extremely ruthless, but they don't seem to be corrupted as badly as the X-Men. And the various villains that appear in Inferno (Graviton, Kang, Kingpin, Arranger,Nanny) don't seem to be any more evil than usual.<br /> "Could the X-Men have become corrupted just by the courtesy of being the Team Maddie in the proceedings (and close to her)"<br />But that raises another question- Maddie had no way of knowing where the Marauders would be on the night of the Inferno. If the Marauders had been vacationing in the Bahamas and the X-Men went there, would they still be corrupted?<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-77274033772085026472014-08-12T04:55:07.476-05:002014-08-12T04:55:07.476-05:00Could the X-Men have become corrupted just by the ...Could the X-Men have become corrupted just by the courtesy of being the Team Maddie in the proceedings (and close to her), as opposed to the Team Scott who is supposed to be right here and subsequently therefore have been all along somehow apparently because of course ditching the bitch in #1 was the only sensible thing to do when she's being like this?<br /><br />I know I suggest everything to have an amount of meta in it but Chris <i>could</i> be on some level pointing out that the X-Men getting corrupted makes as much sense as Maddie getting corrupted does, i.e. very little.<br /><br />Of course, if one wants to one might point out that Alex did do the naughty with Maddie in the Oz and gets corrupted the worst, and then look at the respective corruptness of the others and map out what else went on there in those lonely desert nights. I still don't trust Logan in a boring backwater place with nothing to do and the clone-of-Jean wife of Summers' around.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-63446574113457922262014-08-11T23:46:43.887-05:002014-08-11T23:46:43.887-05:00I was thinking more align the lines of Psylocke an...I was thinking more align the lines of Psylocke and the others being influenced more, because of the darker path they've taken. <br />Claremont pretty much established that the Outback team was more about pre-emptivness, and being highly aggressive. So to ME, it fits that the X-men have succumbed more or less to the effects of the Inferno. Taziraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14009288045314604699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-58096662064838091642014-08-08T12:31:41.487-05:002014-08-08T12:31:41.487-05:00You could argue Havok was corrupted by Maddie, and...You could argue Havok was corrupted by Maddie, and Longshot was definitely corrupted by N'astrah. <br /><br />As for some of the others...they did seem to be more bloodthirsty and amoral last issue, but their behavior looks like it was dialed down a bit this issue. wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-63881058007056405052014-08-08T11:59:36.618-05:002014-08-08T11:59:36.618-05:00@Blam: Wolverine, Dazzler, and Longshot are bloo...@Blam: <i> Wolverine, Dazzler, and Longshot are bloodthirsty and (more) obnoxious, but Storm, Colossus, Psylocke, and Rogue, despite their costumes having morphed a bit, aren't — this issue, anyway.</i><br /><br />Colossus' is at least explained on-panel by Claremont's love of iron vs magic. The rest of it makes no sense and it seems weird to basically have the X-Men be the villains in their own book. But then this whole crossover seems to be saying "Look how awesome X-Factor is, right guys? Right?" Of course, it gets taken to comical levels in this week's X-Factor issue.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14447265712189987074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-89893005732640974422014-08-07T23:49:52.346-05:002014-08-07T23:49:52.346-05:00@Reese: // [Cyclops] replies: "What are you t...<br>@Reese: <i>// [Cyclops] replies: "What are you talking about--?!!" //</i><br /><br />You're right in terms of the larger issue, but I take the dialogue here as specifically referring to Scott not knowing Maddie had been attacked by, and their son abducted by, the Marauders.<br /><br />@wwk5d: <i>// He's one of the few characters who hasn't ever been brought back, right? //</i><br /><br />I would have expected someone to introduce his older brother, N'astyestt.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-46369925746737468982014-08-07T23:46:39.951-05:002014-08-07T23:46:39.951-05:00I have to give the creative team credit for puttin...<br>I have to give the creative team credit for putting Alex in a "Goblin Prince" costume that's the ridiculous equivalent of Maddie's.<br /><br /><i>// Jean and Storm have a nice moment together, expressing their happiness at the continued survival of the other. //</i><br /><br />While it really is a nice moment, it's the most glaring part of how haphazardly the influx of Limbo energies is affecting people. Have the X-Men turned demonish or not? Wolverine, Dazzler, and Longshot are bloodthirsty and (more) obnoxious, but Storm, Colossus, Psylocke, and Rogue, despite their costumes having morphed a bit, aren't — this issue, anyway. (Since not a one of the guest-starring original quintet seem affected, it's easier to write them out of the problem by saying they haven't been near the rift as long or just been in an aggressive, life-threatening situation like battling the Marauders or whatever.)<br /><br /><i>// Iceman rather cleverly builds a series of slides and chutes to build Colossus' momentum and hurl him back towards N'astirh. //</i><br /><br />That is neat but, man, what he's able to do so intricately at such a great distance is very suspect. Although we have seen him pull off some impressive feats recently, like the referenced Empire State Building deal. How much of this is considered to be due to his Loki-upped abilities versus just, you know, whatever the story calls for because superheroes?<br /><br /><i>// N'astirh's ultimate defeat as the victory brought about by the combination of the two teams //</i><br /><br />I appreciated the group effort both symbolically, as the factions of X-Men join forces, and in-story, given that a threat on the order of magnitude that N'astirh had reached would require such an effort to feel believable. All that was missing was a Z'nox-style literal merging of powers.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-89228718422965277062014-08-07T16:15:47.831-05:002014-08-07T16:15:47.831-05:00I've always liked the enmity between Wolverine...I've always liked the enmity between Wolverine and Angel throughout the eighties, culminating with thier gladiatorial duel during "X-Tinction Agenda" another couple years from this point.<br /><br />Then, somehow, they became friends after Claremont left the series. I understand the reasoning, that Angel had become a darker character even while Wolverine lightened up a bit, leading to a common ground between them -- but I liked their relationship better when Angel couldn't stand the little guy.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-16940222190572520882014-08-07T12:26:24.378-05:002014-08-07T12:26:24.378-05:00Jean was actually taken away from the fight by Sto...Jean was actually taken away from the fight by Storm...at first, she was alternating between foxy boxing Psylocke and trying to keep Rogue away with her TK powers...wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-29760441288262003312014-08-07T12:07:19.242-05:002014-08-07T12:07:19.242-05:00I loved the bit where everyone X is having a total...I loved the bit where everyone X is having a total misunderstanding fight as is good and proper in these circles but Ororo and Jean go have a chat and a hug instead.<br /><br />One of those things that you kind of want to read as meta against a possible editorial mandate mandating such a fight. Or humor aimed at genre conventions. One of those things, surely.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-12863443291997864812014-08-07T11:51:25.438-05:002014-08-07T11:51:25.438-05:00I think the Classic X-men retcon was that Jean had...I think the Classic X-men retcon was that Jean had an attraction to Wolverine. X-men Forever revealed she loved him and wanted him more than she did Scott. wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-15485868914293171282014-08-07T11:42:20.451-05:002014-08-07T11:42:20.451-05:00Also, during this era, DC's CCA-approved books...Also, during this era, DC's CCA-approved books were allowed to use words like "hell" and "damn." Apparently Marvel had more stringent rules than the CCA -- their characters were saying "heck" and "bloody blue blazes" into the 90s.<br /><br />Mutants, magic, demons, anthropomorphic mailboxes... whatever. But my suspension of disbelief has a real problem with an angry Wolverine shouting "THE <b>HECK</b> WITH YOU!"A Painterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12435594154795329209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-28858881699736408552014-08-07T11:19:18.588-05:002014-08-07T11:19:18.588-05:00"Storm blasts him with a lightening bolt"..."Storm blasts him with a lightening bolt"<br /><br />"Lightening" means "to lighten," either by shining a light or relieving a burden. "Lightning" is a bolt of electricity from the sky. (See also: Weird Al's "Word Crimes" video. There's a nice graphic representation of the difference at the "learn your homophones" part.)<br /><br />wwk5d: "And apparently, according to X-men Forever, Jean was always really in love with Wolverine or something as well..."<br /><br />As Austin noted, Claremont set that up in the retcon-riffic Classic X-Men # 1. Considering the way Scott's acted from X-Factor 1 on, I don't blame Jean for choosing Wolverine.A Painterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12435594154795329209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-83613191289163171542014-08-06T21:24:18.031-05:002014-08-06T21:24:18.031-05:00The Alex-Maddie affair now gets into more Unfortun...The Alex-Maddie affair now gets into more Unfortunate Implications. Before Maddie turned evil, Alex was the strong man telling her not to kill herself. Now that Maddie turns evil, he becomes subservient to her. Plus there's the idea that if your significant other is troubled, the only alternatives are leaving her alone and waiting months before reporting her missing (Scott) or going along with whatever crazy idea she comes up with (Alex).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-26672106203881216022014-08-06T16:06:41.258-05:002014-08-06T16:06:41.258-05:00Reese T: Shouldn't Alex have become the Goblin...Reese T: <i>Shouldn't Alex have become the Goblin KING instead of prince? The Goblin Queen banging the prince seems to have skeevy implications..</i><br /><br />Queen Elizabeth II of the Great Britain has a Prince for her husband, too. In the royal circles when the Monarch is a male (=King) his spouse will be a Queen consort, but if the Monarch happens to be a woman ruling in her own right, by the grace of being the first in the succession line after the previous Monarch, she is the Queen regnant and her husband won't get to be a titular King but is likely to be given the title of a Prince of some sort.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-84300427602850209622014-08-06T15:36:26.704-05:002014-08-06T15:36:26.704-05:00"A key player in the build-up to and executio..."A key player in the build-up to and execution of "Inferno", this pretty much marks the end of a character who burned bright but fast"<br /><br />He's one of the few characters who hasn't ever been brought back, right?<br /><br />"the idea that Jean herself felt an attraction to Wolverine as well is more of a retcon"<br /><br />And apparently, according to X-men Forever, Jean was always really in love with Wolverine or something as well...<br /><br />"Jean and Storm have a nice moment together, expressing their happiness at the continued survival of the other."<br /><br />Yeah, even if Storm's feelings towards Jean are much stronger at this point, since Storm remembers her time with both Jean and Phoenix, while Jean here doesn't remember anything beyond crashing into Jamaica Bay...yet. <br /><br />"Silvestrisms<br />Psylocke and Rogue high five in celebration of N'astirh's defeat."<br /><br />Bwahahahahahaha!<br /><br />"The demonically-influenced Longshot and Dazzler pretty much just start making out during the X-Factor/X-Men battle."<br /><br />Some people saw this as a rape scene...<br /><br />"Beast goes into flirt mode during the battle with N'astirh."<br /><br />Of course, Beast, Dazzler, and CC seem to have forgotten that Beast and Dazzler hooked up...even if her relationship with Angel was brought up this issue. <br /><br />"Have we already determined why X-Factor aren't affected by Inferno like the X-Men are?"<br /><br />You could make the argument that it's all a meta-reference to how much darker the X-men have become, while X-factor are the shiny clean Silver Age throwback.<br /><br />"Shouldn't Alex have become the Goblin KING instead of prince? The Goblin Queen banging the prince seems to have skeevy implications.."<br /><br />Considering how submissive he is to her...I think it kind of works.<br /><br /><br />wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-48675564302911963382014-08-06T15:10:31.794-05:002014-08-06T15:10:31.794-05:00Have we already determined why X-Factor aren't...Have we already determined why X-Factor aren't affected by Inferno like the X-Men are?<br /><br />While being saved from the ice cold river Havok made, Madelyne asks cyclops where he was the night she really needed him...he replies: "What are you talking about--?!!" REALLY? It's almost impossible not to hate cyclops as a character. Why couldn't he just man up, apologize for abandoning his wife and son, & admit he's a total piece of shit?!<br /><br />Shouldn't Alex have become the Goblin KING instead of prince? The Goblin Queen banging the prince seems to have skeevy implications..<br /><br />So, Storm can produce heat beams? Never knew thatAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04944426155574998463noreply@blogger.com