tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post4628381789077860264..comments2024-03-22T04:20:11.870-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining X-Men (vol. 2) #28Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-29575074491084767712018-03-08T18:22:55.912-06:002018-03-08T18:22:55.912-06:00As a kid, this is the issue that made me realize j...As a kid, this is the issue that made me realize just how utterly useless anyone with physical powers would be against a telekinetic. I know, it can’t be realistic because no one wants to see Professor X or Jean just putting everyone to sleep, or the Flash stopping every villain before they can blink, or Cyclops taking out everyone on the battlefield in 2 seconds just by looking at them. But if you grab Wolverine by, say, one of the bones in his spine, battle’s over. I don’t care how strong-willed or badass he is, he ain’t breaking free from his own spinal cord. Likewise, Psylocke would certainly just grab Sabretooth’s brain and compress it to the size of a marble, and he isn’t healing from that.<br /><br />So basically, I really liked this issue, but it’s also why to this day I think the psis and energy blasters are just humoring Wolverine and X-23 and Warpath and all the rest. “Oh yeah, absolutely, we NEED you on the team, Logan. For sure. Now, I believe you had some money saved up that we can use for a new Blackbird...?”Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11195303135115277997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-16792902289401330392018-03-01T17:52:40.305-06:002018-03-01T17:52:40.305-06:00I agree that Wolverine would not have hooked up wi...I agree that Wolverine would not have hooked up with Madelyn. TPTB made it clear they were emphasizing her relationship with Alex/Havok during that period. <br /><br />In regards to Logan possibly being Rachel's father, I also feel there were hints, most notably in Part Four of Days of Future Present, when both Cyclops and the Invisible Woman were (temporarily) transformed to Hounds. Sue was able to locate Franklin although Scott wasn't able to do so with Rachel - to Ahab's astonishment. He even said (in that scene) that shouldn't be possible.<br /><br />Also in the backup story in that same annual (that chronologically occurs before the main story's finale), Rachel and Franklin are drawn to Logan/Jubilee/Psylocke in Madripoor. I always thought it was interesting she would visit the man whom, when she last saw him, tried to fillet her. I felt like they were implying she was drawn to him the way she was to Jean in Part Two (the X-Factor annual) because of a blood tie.<br /><br />I was always shocked there was never more interest from readers regarding all that.Notorious J.O.E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16981069985099562942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-15073546475893650762018-03-01T07:34:40.833-06:002018-03-01T07:34:40.833-06:00Yeah, it sails...if the ship is named the USS Fan ...Yeah, it sails...if the ship is named the USS Fan Fiction Theories lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-8963407322019748172018-03-01T06:27:59.909-06:002018-03-01T06:27:59.909-06:00I'm sorry man but this ship sails. Like she wo...I'm sorry man but this ship sails. Like she would do Scott's brother to spite him, but at the same time not touch Logan.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-59722720568788034722018-03-01T06:12:59.469-06:002018-03-01T06:12:59.469-06:00Except we never saw anything of the sort to indica...Except we never saw anything of the sort to indicate Wolverine and Maddie ever crossed that line. Ever.<br /><br />Nice try, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-82608677528630160692018-03-01T04:16:35.943-06:002018-03-01T04:16:35.943-06:00There's also the circumstantial evidence of &q...There's also the circumstantial evidence of "Rachel's real dad" theory, explaining how she became the very best of the DoFP "hounds", and suggesting that Logan dream-chasing Rachel to top her murdering Selen was really due to time-line ascending paternal duties.<br /><br />But then again, I'm also in the opinion that the corresponding Aeschylus quotes Blam mentioned have an in-universe explanation, and Beast quotes reluctant Hephaestus when sending the task-force to Avalon in semi-knowledge of his role of the unwilling partner in Xavier's (acknowledged or unacknowledged) scheme to make Logan an excuse which Xavier can then use to justify his Dealing with Magneto For Good, with telepathic telegramming by Xavier being the reason for Hephaestus-Beast and Kratos-Magneto both quoting bits fitting for themselves from the Aeschylus' play at crucial moments.<br /><br />This is probably also the actual reason why Xavier originally chose to call his little soldiers "the Aesch-Men".<br /><br />Professor Xavier is a jerk.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-83061578188734938392018-03-01T03:52:05.757-06:002018-03-01T03:52:05.757-06:00Wolverine is Friendly with everyone who's a gr...Wolverine is Friendly with everyone who's a grown-up self-standing woman. Storm, Mystique, Carol Danvers back in the day, Tyger Tiger... him, Cyclops' embittered wife, in middle of boring nowhere, it all equals to stuff happening, the very least in the pre-Inferno heat after her selling out to S'ym.<br /><br />And Creed got them <i>animal instincts</i> to catch it all from Jean's demeanor and nostrils flaring and all whenever Logan gets mentioned.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-12648609502167505512018-03-01T00:25:36.599-06:002018-03-01T00:25:36.599-06:00Yeah, I don't see Maddie and Wolverine hooking...Yeah, I don't see Maddie and Wolverine hooking up. At all. CC did drop plenty of hints that he and Storm had a Friends With Benefits going on at the time, though.<br /><br />I think Creed was just fcuking around with Jean. Besides, it isn't like Creed would 1) know that Jean had Maddie's memories or 2) that Maddie and Wolverine may have done The Sex.<br /><br />Jean does have memories about Maddie doing The Sex with both Cyclops and Havok, though, for what it's worth. I wonder if that ever came up between Jean and Scott ("That's not how your brother does it").Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-24637030487941849972018-02-28T10:31:16.709-06:002018-02-28T10:31:16.709-06:00The firecracker/atom-bomb sent me too pondering pr...The firecracker/atom-bomb sent me too pondering pretty much among same lines. The first instance being in Jubilee's dream, it feels like her viewpoint and not some omniknowing narrator. But that would suggest that Jean got it from her, either as a case of "your thoughts are loud like shouting, I can't block them out" or as an intentional invasion of privacy by Jean.<br /><br />In the eXtra power scale, if Jubilee is firecracker, the atom-bomb would be -- Dark Phoenix. Probably unintentional, but I can't not read it like a ye auld Dark Phoenix tease now.<br /><br />"What was it like" by Sabretooth to Jean about Logan would suggest that those two would have been intamit back in the day. Obviously, she has Maddie's memories now and there's no chance that Wolverine didn't poke Cyclops' estranged wife while both were laying down in middle of desert during the Outback era.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-40187378949276525752018-02-28T07:16:28.385-06:002018-02-28T07:16:28.385-06:00A caption has Sean referring to Rogue as “well nig...<br>A caption has Sean referring to Rogue as “well nigh near invulnerable”, which struck me as more than almost just about practically repetitious.<br /><br />Pg. 1’s narration asks “What can firecrackers do against an atom bomb?” Although in the third person it seems to be sympathetic to Jubilee’s perspective — her being the one with “Roman candles [and] pinwheels” that are "useless” against the “unrelenting engine of destruction" that is Sabretooth. When Jean confronts him later, however, she tells him “You’re a firecracker, Creed — and I’m an atom bomb!” One presumes the callback is intentional but I don’t know if we’re supposed to surmise that Jean caught the stray thought when comforting Jubilee after she awoke or if it’s just one of those serendipities presented for the reader’s benefit, and/or the writer’s own self-indulgence if you prefer, like the quoted lines from Aeschylus used independently by Hank and Magneto in <i>X-Men</i> #25 as pointed out by Teemu.<br /><br />“This is about Logan, isn’t it?” at the bottom of Pg. 15 of the story and “I understand it, too…” in the first panel of Pg. 16 both look relettered. Dunno what might’ve needed to be changed and why; of course, there could be an entirely mundane reason, although the subject feels controversial enough that it’s of interest.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-10947371361502543282018-02-27T17:32:54.440-06:002018-02-27T17:32:54.440-06:00This is one of my favorite "quiet" issue...This is one of my favorite "quiet" issues from the era. It's just a lot of interesting character work. It sets up some storylines that are resolved shortly, which is welcome. I really like Kubert's art. This is just an all around solid issue (I think Niceiza has a really good run coming up for the next 6 issues or so of this series)Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14447265712189987074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-42148557196156048292018-02-27T14:55:30.367-06:002018-02-27T14:55:30.367-06:00I always thought the blisters were supposed to be ...I always thought the blisters were supposed to be an analogue to Karposi's Sarcoma that late stage AIDS victims suffered through during that time (before the shift in HIV medication that occurred just a few years later changed everything).<br /><br />As I was a somewhat closeted high school student during that period who related to the X-Men because its whole being a mutant ran (to me) parallel to being gay, reading the Legacy Virus storyline was really intense.<br /><br />I loved that it was Jean who was so dead set against Sabretooth being there. There was a moment where, during her arguing the point with Xavier, she actually forces herself to call him by his first name. I thought it was a nice character touch to show that she had reached a point where she saw Xavier as a colleague rather than an elder.<br /><br />Interestingly, I had always read that issue as Jean (as the POV for the reader) *rejecting* the suggestion that Sabretooth was a flipped version And now substitute for an Adamantium-less Wolverine. That the comic was telling the reader via her words that they WERE acknowledging he could never take Logan's place.<br /><br />I totally agree it was bad form to seemingly forget that Psylocke had defeated Sabretooth in her previous incarnation.<br /><br />Lastly, showing Jubilee's terror with him being in the house was a nice reminder that, despite all her bravado and wisecracks, she was still a kid.Notorious J.O.E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16981069985099562942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-74193249480758613142018-02-27T11:02:09.761-06:002018-02-27T11:02:09.761-06:00This is a good example of what a lot of Nicieza...This is a good example of what a lot of Nicieza's issues felt like to me around this time: it's not exactly what you'd call a "quiet" issue, but there aren't any big battles either. There's a skirmish, some soap opera stuff, and you come away feeling like you've read a solid, but understated, story.<br /><br />In fact, this sort of thing is actually how I remember most X-stories of this era from both Nicieza and Lobdell. Aside from the big yearly crossover events, the rest of the year generally felt quieter and more focused on stuff going on around the mansion, and any fights were usually borne less from supervillain battles than from interpersonal conflicts. I'm not sure if those recollections are 100% correct, but I look forward to finding out.<br /><br />I noted that when Jean mentions Storm stealing documents for Xavier, she says it happened two weeks ago -- which means UNCANNY 306, X-MEN 25, WOLVERINE 75, EXCALIBUR 71, all of "Bloodties", X-MEN 27, and UNCANNY 307 -- not to mention X-MEN UNLIMITED 3 and whatever other stuff the characters have appeared in, like CABLE 6 - 8 -- all occurred within that span. I've said it before, but I'll note again that I love super-compressed timelines like this. It really makes you feel like these characters are jumping from one crisis to another with little time to catch their breath.<br /><br />(Also notable is that during "Bloodties", we were told it had been a week since Wolverine left, so specifically, it's been one week since the events of "Bloodties", which itself was a week after the X-MEN 25/WOLVERINE 75 segment of "Fatal Attractions".)<br /><br />I like that Cyclops appears to wear his costume under his civilian clothes at the mansion. Totally something he'd do. And speaking of clothes, do we think Gambit is an LSU alum, or does he just root for the school?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.com