tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post4621401278843205720..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining Wolverine #2Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-80229395105016132532014-07-11T19:49:27.137-05:002014-07-11T19:49:27.137-05:00I'm almost positive I've seen a Claremont ...I'm almost positive I've seen a Claremont interview referenced somewhere that said keeping Logan as not-Wolveriney as possible was part of the concept of the series, and why he agreed to do it. This way he could limit the over-exposure of the character as much as possible, and tell different sorts of stories.<br /><br />Hi, longtime blog fan BTW, though I rarely comment for some reason. Probably because I'm always playing catchup. Kevin Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08985159338926363214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-19135452456104675392014-07-01T13:44:40.379-05:002014-07-01T13:44:40.379-05:00@Blam: Lindsay calls him "Patch" (with ...@Blam: <i> Lindsay calls him "Patch" (with the quotes, according to the dialogue), so I'd like to think that she was onto Logan and just humoring him, especially when a panel later she says "I'm coming with you, Bub."</i><br /><br />I missed the quotes in Lindsay's dialogue - that's pretty great. I'm pretty sure a later issue reveals they are, indeed, humoring him, which makes those quotes even better. <br /><br /><i>That Sienkiewicz pin-up has Logan wearing a First Flight T-shirt.</i><br /><br />Ah, yeah, I meant to point that out. Wonder if Sienkiewicz added that himself, or Claremont asked him to? :) <br /><br />@Jason: <i>I'm confused. He wrote the patch in Wolverine #1 as well.<br /><br />What am I missing?</i><br /><br />You're right, I'm wrong; I had it in my head that he didn't wear the patch in issue #1, because he spent most of it with the weird nylon-thing over his eyes. But looking back, yeah, he clearly had it on while in his "civilian" guise as he tracked Lindsay. <br /><br /><i>But none of that explains how anyone was supposed to act as "courier" for something that can't be touched.</i><br /><br />I have many of the same questions about this story that you do, but, having never read it, I assumed they'd be answered in the course of the story. Your questions lead me to believe that's not the case. <br /><br />Some of your questions can probably be chalked up to the MacGuffin nature of the sword - it doesn't really matter to the story why it's being moved now, for example, just that it is - but some of them legitimately should be answered (like how does one safely transfer a demonic sword, and how was it able to possess Jessica if those safeguards were in place, is there any reason beyond sheer coincidence that Jessica was hired to be the courier, etc). <br /><br />@wwk5d: <i>I wonder how many people saw the cover and thought to themselves "Awesome, Wolverine and Silver Samurai slashing the crap out of each other, like that time he fought Sabertooth!". Then picked up the issue and thought "The fuck?"</i><br /><br />Your comment and Blam's response reminded me that I meant to mention all that at some point - that while Claremont deserves credit for working the rather unique status quo of the X-Men at the time into the Wolverine solo series, yeesh, was this a bad time for Wolverine to launch a solo series, considering those same circumstances. <br /><br />The end result is, as you point out, a series that can't quite be what a lot of people picking it up probably expected it to be, at least not without also completely undermining the <i>X-Men</i> status quo. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-85655573276913737632014-06-30T02:15:50.138-05:002014-06-30T02:15:50.138-05:00"Keep in mind that we only see people get pos..."Keep in mind that we only see people get possessed when they actually touch the sword-i.e. not a case containing it. As for how Jessica got possessed, maybe she was attacked by the Cult goons and it fell out of the case? "<br /><br />How did anyone get it into the case, and what was the plan for getting it out?Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-77138710680274683322014-06-29T21:06:21.133-05:002014-06-29T21:06:21.133-05:00@wwk5d: // I wonder how many people saw the cover ...<br>@wwk5d: <i>// I wonder how many people saw the cover and thought to themselves "Awesome, Wolverine and Silver Samurai slashing the crap out of each other, like that time he fought Sabertooth!". //</i><br /><br />Good point. And until now I hadn't explicitly realized that the entire premise of the new ongoing solo Wolverine series when it launched was <i>that he can't be Wolverine</i>. It's a good thing his unmasked look was at least as iconic as his X-Men outfit, and that Claremont had proven that the character worked so well outside the usual X-Men setting, because on paper it's a tricky sell: "Sure, Wolverine solo adventures, great idea. Just as long as he doesn't wear his costume or pop his claws in front of people or interact with the team or, y'know, let anyone realize that he's Wolverine."<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-22052507063337542262014-06-29T07:36:37.333-05:002014-06-29T07:36:37.333-05:00I wonder how many people saw the cover and thought...I wonder how many people saw the cover and thought to themselves "Awesome, Wolverine and Silver Samurai slashing the crap out of each other, like that time he fought Sabertooth!". Then picked up the issue and thought "The fuck?"wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-64208443127187337572014-06-28T15:17:54.376-05:002014-06-28T15:17:54.376-05:00Keep in mind that we only see people get possessed...Keep in mind that we only see people get possessed when they actually touch the sword-i.e. not a case containing it. As for how Jessica got possessed, maybe she was attacked by the Cult goons and it fell out of the case? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-38058124785194100612014-06-28T14:37:56.378-05:002014-06-28T14:37:56.378-05:00So, this is the issue that brings up some question...So, this is the issue that brings up some questions for me. Maybe someone can explain it.<br /><br />Basically anyone who touches the Black Blade gets possessed. Jessica and Lindsay were hired by Mariko to be the couriers to move it from America to ... Madripoor? (Were they going to meet other couriers to take it the rest of the way to Japan? Otherwise, why did Mariko want it taken to Madripoor?)<br /><br />Also, so Mariko and her clan are apparently the rightful "owners," so to speak, of the sword? Alright, fine, but how does this thing ever get moved anywhere, if you can't touch it without getting possessed? Where in America had it been hiding?<br /><br />Even if we presume that there is a mechanism for touching the sword without getting possessed (some kind of special case) ... well, then how did Jessica ever get possessed? <br /><br />In the first issue, Kojima seems aware that the Black Blade is capable of this ... and he worked for Mariko, so ... Mariko also knows this, right? So why did she put these American couriers in danger by having them grab it? <br /><br />I"m also confused by the whole mixup last issue with Lindsay McCabe arriving in Madripoor and being confused by both Logan and the Cult as the real courier. Was she deliberately sent there as a decoy? It seems unlikely since McCabe last issue was completely surprised that there were any evil forces who were after the sword.<br /><br />Was Lindsay just coming along so that she and Jessica could have a fun vacation together in an exotic place? (That would seem to be the case, since the two are still hanging around Madripoor seeing the sights in issue 4, after their Black Blade job has concluded.) But then why didn't they arrive together on the same flight, on the same day? Again, it could have been to keep Lindsay out of danger, but they didn't think there WAS danger.<br /><br />Also, I guess it's just a typical Claremont coincidence that of all the people in America Mariko could have hired, she ended up hiring Spider-Woman. Maybe that's not a coincidence, as the Silver Samurai might have told Mariko about her at some point ... ? I guess why it bothers me is that it is played as coincidence when it didn't have to be.<br /><br />It seems like they could have cleared all this up by saying that Mariko knew that Harada wanted the sword so she hired Spider-Woman because she knew that that was someone who could handle Kenuchio if he showed up. And it could also explain why Lindsay traveled separately from Jessica (to keep her out of danger from the Samurai) but was still surprised by the existence of the Cult. <br /><br />But none of that explains how anyone was supposed to act as "courier" for something that can't be touched.<br /><br />Anyway. That's my rant. If someone can tell me why I'm all wrong and this arc makes perfect sense, I'd be grateful!Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-69160223395876400222014-06-28T14:29:04.302-05:002014-06-28T14:29:04.302-05:00"Wore" the patch, that is.<br /><br />"Wore" the patch, that is.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-51870721247739047232014-06-28T14:19:45.369-05:002014-06-28T14:19:45.369-05:00"Wolverine appears as Patch wearing an eye pa..."Wolverine appears as Patch wearing an eye patch for the first time (though his ridiculous hair spikes still remain, somewhat dulling the effect of his disguise)."<br /><br />I'm confused. He wrote the patch in Wolverine #1 as well. <br /><br />What am I missing?Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-85972107386625418142014-06-27T23:52:08.445-05:002014-06-27T23:52:08.445-05:00// punching with fist knives > regular punching...<br><i>// punching with fist knives > regular punching //</i><br /><br />Ha! True enough — but the pulpy feel <i>is</i> enough for me, even with Logan's self-imposed handicap.<br /><br />Were I scanning this on the racks as a kid I'd almost certainly have dismissed it as not superheroey enough to care for. From my vantage point now, I find it a pretty good issue; I'm honestly looking forward to reading at least as long as this vibe is maintained, although I understand that while the series has little connection to X-Men history you might find yourself without much to say.<br /><br />Sigh... I'll give him the hat, I guess, but just wearing an eyepatch with all that unmistakable Wolverine hair and attitude is ridiculous. Lindsay calls him "Patch" (with the quotes, according to the dialogue), so I'd like to think that she was onto Logan and just humoring him, especially when a panel later she says "I'm coming with you, Bub."<br /><br />Lindsay and Belle finding out that they're from neighboring high schools in Massapequa — New York, not New Jersey — feels like a Claremontism to me, the way it's played out and given his personal geography.<br /><br />Buscema and Williamson is a good pairing, but I might like Buscema and Janson better.<br /><br />That Sienkiewicz pin-up has Logan wearing a <i>First Flight</i> T-shirt. <i>Get the reference!</i> 8^)<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.com