tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post448222365353096915..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining X-Men #106Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-88530680700359850802012-12-10T12:22:38.499-06:002012-12-10T12:22:38.499-06:00@Harry: I'm fairly sure that one of the Offici...@Harry: <i>I'm fairly sure that one of the Official Marvel Handbooks retcons it that this was technically the first appearance of Onslaught.</i><br /><br />I think you're right - somewhere along the way, at least, Marvel definitely connected this to Onslaught. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-24090043880182719662012-12-07T23:03:09.831-06:002012-12-07T23:03:09.831-06:00Man, whenever I go back and re-read this issue, I ...Man, whenever I go back and re-read this issue, I feel such pity for X-Men readers of the 70's... they would have had to wait two months for the next issue of X-Men, gotten this piece of filler, then had to wait another two months for the next important issue... ouch.<br /><br />And now I've just scrolled further down the article and saw that you said the exact same thing...<br /><br /><i>Dark Xavier or The Entity (as it will come to be known), the manifestation of Professor X's repressed power and desires...</i><br /><br />I'm fairly sure that one of the Official Marvel Handbooks retcons it that this was technically the first appearance of Onslaught.<br /><br /><i>Professor X's dark side manifests itself as Professor X...in a cape.</i><br /><br />I was going to comment exactly the same thing! Damn, your thoughts on this issue are pretty much exactly the same as mine.Harry Sewalskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11886168494924203493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-66789165343372830852011-10-13T15:57:09.240-05:002011-10-13T15:57:09.240-05:00@Blam: it's funny how often in those early day...@Blam: <i>it's funny how often in those early days the original X-Men were used to, presumably, drive sales or at least prompt a flip-through given that the book had failed when starring the original team by Marvel's own metrics.</i><br /><br />That is funny. It's like Marvel didn't quite trust the new X-Men yet, but had nothing better to shore them up than the old X-Men they replaced (of course, nowadays a book like that would just feature Wolverine...).Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-75022999328862762542011-10-11T08:05:46.721-05:002011-10-11T08:05:46.721-05:00I think that this was the next ish I bought off th...<br>I think that this was the next ish I bought off the racks after #98 and #102. Maybe it was the guy at the comics shop telling me when #98 came out that <i>X-Men</i> was a series to watch (see previous comments), maybe it was just a growing affinity for — or curiosity over — the characters given those couple of issues, the reprint-era issue in which they got their new costumes, <i>Marvel Team-Up</i> #4, and a reprint story in <i>Giant-Size Iron Man</i> #1, but something drew me to the series despite the darker, denser quality that I felt from Marvel in general back then and from <i>X-Men</i> in particular. I do remember the <i>faux</i> Angel's taunting really wigging me out at 7 years old.<br /><br />While I'm aware that this was a fill-in issue, Marvel's PTB still chose to prominently feature Angel on the cover, and it's funny how often in those early days the original X-Men were used to, presumably, drive sales or at least prompt a flip-through given that the book had <i>failed</i> when starring the original team by Marvel's own metrics.<br /><br />You can see a real difference from Cockrum in Brown's layouts and renderings of the characters. Everyone's taller and leaner, especially Wolverine; one of the things I always found unique about him was how short and beefy he was.<br /><br />Mantlo's tragedy really gets me, too. I never read much of his <i>Rom</i> or <i>Micronauts</i>, but both were big hits at the time. I did get into <i>Human Fly</i> ("The Wildest Super-Hero Ever — Because He's Real!") and, later, Mantlo's <i>Alpha Flight</i> when Byrne swapped creative duties on that series with Mantlo, Mike Mignola, <i>et al.</i> for <i>Hulk</i>.<br /><br />I have love and hate for Jim Shooter as well, due not only to both admiration and disdain for his work but on more personal levels for kindness that he showed me when I was some random kid he didn't know at a convention and the way he treated other people whom I respect.<br /><br />Teebore: <i>Oh, [Wolverine's] definitely got some daddy issues.</i><br /><br />Ha!<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-71284435209114921262011-04-29T17:24:21.546-05:002011-04-29T17:24:21.546-05:00@Joan: I'm thinking Wolverine referring to him...@Joan: <i>I'm thinking Wolverine referring to himself as "Wolvie" may very well point to some deep-seated Daddy Issues. </i><br /><br />Oh, he's definitely got some daddy issues.Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-83619865672477740182011-04-29T07:48:29.447-05:002011-04-29T07:48:29.447-05:00...especially since i'm fairly certain nightcr...<i>...especially since i'm fairly certain nightcrawler's teleportation is probably just him thinking about where he wants to go.</i><br /><br />Ha! <br /><br />I'm thinking Wolverine referring to himself as "Wolvie" may very well point to some deep-seated Daddy Issues.Joan Crawfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04513335615114222374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-50524396896142739632011-04-28T10:39:11.336-05:002011-04-28T10:39:11.336-05:00i'm not even familiar with Bill Mantlo (you me...i'm not even familiar with Bill Mantlo (you mentioning him is the first i've heard of him) and his accident bums ME out<br /><br />i agree with Sarah's rewatch idearAnne Ahiershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04695186823472404436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-8858290071414086692011-04-27T17:35:58.035-05:002011-04-27T17:35:58.035-05:00@Hannah: I think that's my favorite part of co...@Hannah: <i>I think that's my favorite part of comics, that they think about how they can't do things instead of just doing them. </i><br /><br />As silly as it can be sometimes, it's definitely something I love about comics. It's one of the few (only?) mediums where you can truly have action and introspection at the same time. <br /><br /><i>Also, i don't ever want to see Wolverine refer to himself as "wolvie" again.</i><br /><br />Whereas I would love to see it MORE! <br /><br /><i>Slightly OT - i would totally love you to do a rewatch of the 90s x-men cartoon. That would be BADASS</i><br /><br />If I could find a good source for screencaps, I might. Though I doubt there'd be a whole lot to say about every episode. But it would be fun...<br /><br />@Matt: <i>Love him or hate him, at least when Jim Shooter showed up, he got the trains running on time and these unscheduled fill-ins became mostly a thing of the past.</i><br /><br />And I do both love and hate him, but one of the things I definitely love is that he ran a tight editorial ship. Deadlines meant something when Shooter was in charge. <br /><br /><i>Of course nowadays when they miss a deadline, they just ship the book a month or two late... I'm honestly not sure which practice I dislike more!</i><br /><br />It's a tough call. I *think* I'd have to give the edge to shipping late as the preferable option, but really, I just wish editorial planned for things better. I mean, there's some creators you just KNOW are going to miss deadlines, so don't solicit the book until they have a head start. <br /><br /><i>since this was a bimonthly title, that would've been a whole year ago for the readers, so the repetition was probably not quite so irritating as it looks in retrospect.</i><br /><br />Ah, that is a good point. Bi-monthly giveth, bi-monthly taketh away, I suppose. <br /><br /><i>Lastly, I have to admit that I haven't read a lot of Bill Mantlo outside of his work on Spider-Man, which I never really warmed up to in comparison with some of his contemporaries.</i><br /><br />I've always liked his <i>Hulk</i> run, and while I haven't finished it, I've enjoyed what I've read of <i>Rom</i>. <br /><br />And thinking about his accident always, always bums me out.Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-8213867451349101602011-04-27T12:25:33.589-05:002011-04-27T12:25:33.589-05:00"I can only imagine how frustrating it must h..."<b>I can only imagine how frustrating it must have been for readers back when these issues were first printed, having to wait four months between the bi-monthly issues #105 and #107 to find out what happened after the X-Men went through the stargate.</b>"<br /><br />I have that thought every time I look at this issue. One month lost to a fill-in is one thing, but on a bimonthly title, it must've been torture!<br /><br />Love him or hate him, at least when Jim Shooter showed up, he got the trains running on time and these unscheduled fill-ins became mostly a thing of the past.<br /><br />Of course nowadays when they miss a deadline, they just ship the book a month or two late... I'm honestly not sure which practice I dislike more!<br /><br />"<b>To make matters worse, the fill-in is repetitive, considering we just saw the new X-Men face off against doppelgangers of the original X-Men six issues ago</b>..."<br /><br />But by the same token as above, since this was a bimonthly title, that would've been a whole year ago for the readers, so the repetition was probably not quite so irritating as it looks in retrospect. It's still unfortunate, though.<br /><br />Lastly, I have to admit that I haven't read a lot of Bill Mantlo outside of his work on Spider-Man, which I never really warmed up to in comparison with some of his contemporaries. But I've known about his accident for many years now, and it never ceases to sadden me when I read about it again.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-83139612990830869252011-04-27T11:29:51.030-05:002011-04-27T11:29:51.030-05:00especially since i'm fairly certain nightcrawl...especially since i'm fairly certain nightcrawler's teleportation is probably just him thinking about where he wants to go.<br />Also, i don't ever want to see Wolverine refer to himself as "wolvie" again.<br />Slightly OT - i would totally love you to do a rewatch of the 90s x-men cartoon. That would be BADASSSarah Ahiershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02795455714801965956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-82813478850074295872011-04-27T10:26:46.720-05:002011-04-27T10:26:46.720-05:00"Nightcrawler doesn't have time to telepo..."Nightcrawler doesn't have time to teleport...but he does have time think about not having time to teleport."<br /><br />I think that's my favorite part of comics, that they think about how they can't do things instead of just doing them. Spiderman comics are notorious for that.Hannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915603693944523761noreply@blogger.com