tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post3426904584177470126..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining Uncanny X-Men #258Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-67816717827550048762015-03-22T14:00:20.094-05:002015-03-22T14:00:20.094-05:00First of all, everything I said about #257 still s...First of all, everything I said about #257 still stands. In fact more so, since the Mandarin brings into the forefront.<br /><br />Also note Jubilee blowing up Mandarin's castle. This is one of the counterpoints used when Jubilee-haters go on about how "weak" and "lame" her powers are.<br /><br />And given the sartorial monstrosities that would be unleashed upon us in the 90s, the blue and gold costumes were rather tame. (By yeah, I think it was the "thong" part that unnerved people.) What I don't get is if these were Lee's idea, why did he quickly put most the team I individual costumes not long after this?Jon Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11783906806644566810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-78496779907013196922015-03-20T19:01:53.854-05:002015-03-20T19:01:53.854-05:00@Blam: Given she was in leather shorts it can'...@Blam: Given she was in leather shorts it can't have been that far back in Logan's history since they were primarily a late-80s phenomenon!Nathan Adlerhttp://fanfix.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-55243124905030451062015-03-20T08:56:20.082-05:002015-03-20T08:56:20.082-05:00I meant Yukio, not Akiko... Sorry, Mark Crilley.
...<br>I meant Yukio, not Akiko... Sorry, Mark Crilley.<br /><br />@Nathan: <i>// So any suggestions which female in his life Lee might have been suggesting the backlit, monochromatic blue figure in leatherpants facing Wolverine to be? //</i><br /><br />Unfortunately not. I did wonder if it was supposed to be somebody we could suss out or a reference to somebody from his past we haven't met yet (which at this point would still be merely a fun and reasonable open-ended question rather than another straw on an already-broken camel's back of hints at Logan's history).<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-16302670956315023622015-03-19T14:26:31.745-05:002015-03-19T14:26:31.745-05:00@Blam: So any suggestions which female in his lif...@Blam: So any suggestions which female in his life Lee might have been suggesting the backlit, monochromatic blue figure in leatherpants facing Wolverine to be?Nathan Adlerhttp://fanfix.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-4197502447013987942015-03-19T11:32:02.840-05:002015-03-19T11:32:02.840-05:00It is kinda gaudy that a mental encounter with the...It is kinda gaudy that a mental encounter with the shambles of a consciousness that is Mr. I-Don't-Even-Know-My-Own-Name is what shocks coherence into, y'know, a goddamn telepath.<br /><br />Over/under on percentage that Betsy has been poorly written? She was a mess from the early 90s until, what, Uncanny X-Force?Miguelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-74037571383150338982015-03-19T07:22:44.572-05:002015-03-19T07:22:44.572-05:00These must be the uniform redesigns Lee's cred...<br><i>These</i> must be the uniform redesigns Lee's credited with — his tweaks basically amount to the yellow "vest" area extending over the shoulders and the "shorts" area being reduced to a <i>faux</i>-"thong" look. And I agree with Sean: Even though it's really just a design element since the uniforms are full-body, it's undignified somehow. (Moira's personalized costume dates back to #254.) <br /><br />Of course, Lorna shouldn't probably shouldn't wearing the newer costume stuck in that cell.<br /><br />While I could be wrong, the backlit, monochromatic blue figure facing Wolverine in the first panel of the "ladies Logan loved" sequence felt like it was not meant to be Jean but someone else. In favor of this theory is how she seems to be wearing leather based on the texture of that shine, and the fact that the black tendrils in the next panel suggest that her form has just morphed into Jean's. Against this theory is the fact that only Jean, Mariko, and Akiko are name-checked verbally, although it's possible Claremont didn't pick up on what Lee was suggesting.<br /><br />Does every <i>AOV</i> chapter have a villain spontaneously use the phrase "act(s) of vengeance"? Here it came off more a lot more naturally than usual, granted, but it's usually good for at least one massive eye-roll per issue.<br /><br />It's "mentat" and not "menstat", as Jason says.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-24194800118708965632015-03-19T07:17:58.379-05:002015-03-19T07:17:58.379-05:00"there's definitely something problematic..."there's definitely something problematic in the idea that it takes Wolverine's mind to snap Psylocke back to herself, robbing the central character of this arc of her agency, recasting her as someone rescued by Wolverine"<br />But that's largely the problem with a lot of Claremont's arcs- the women don't change their personalities of their own volition. Tyger Tiger got kidnapped and mind-controlled, Maddie got tricked by S'ym and here Betsy got kidnapped by the hand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-72568936503634901752015-03-19T06:55:47.634-05:002015-03-19T06:55:47.634-05:00@Nathan- part of the problem was that Hama didn...@Nathan- part of the problem was that Hama didn't want to write "Dark Wolverine", which was his right. From Harras's point of view, if Claremont wanted to do the Dark Wolverine Saga, he never should have stopped writing Wolverine. Claremont's response was that he never wanted the Wolverine book to begin with and it was difficult to write an extra book, especially due to the biweeklies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-47947798440748788872015-03-19T05:03:42.522-05:002015-03-19T05:03:42.522-05:00@Jason: Moot I say too:)
@Matt: Claremont has pre...@Jason: Moot I say too:)<br /><br />@Matt: Claremont has previously stated that he actually intended the triumphant trio of Wolverine, Psylocke and Jubilee to move into Wolverine’s solo series but Harras blocked it. Claremont made every effort to put proposals forward to maintain that series’ popularity while he unfolded his Dark Wolverine Saga but Harras and marketing didn’t want Wolvie played as a villain:( They just didn't understand fun concepts and that is why I walked away from Marvel. Why not trust the one man that had steered the X-Men to become the comics world's largest!? franchiseNathan Adlerhttp://fanfix.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-68516446804112818852015-03-19T00:27:30.071-05:002015-03-19T00:27:30.071-05:00Matt, I don't see how Harras would have dedica...Matt, I don't see how Harras would have dedicated two books to be by the vision of Claremont at that time, considering how very soon he won't be giving that courtesy to even one book. WOLVERINE has by this time developed a bit of its own voice in pulpy adventurousness and I don't think the editorial is into having an X-MEN vol. 2... well, obviously not by Claremont's vision, at least.<br /><br />Now I start to wonder for how long the adjectiveless was in the works, and if turning WOLVERINE into the second X-MEN book at this point would have ruined those ideas.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-92046253441292575502015-03-18T18:42:53.622-05:002015-03-18T18:42:53.622-05:00I think I mentioned this before, but I seriously d...I think I mentioned this before, but I seriously don't get Banshee's issue with the new uniform. It seems to be that he finds it too tight/revealing? His old costume was just as tight! If anything, I'd say the new uniform should be a little <b>more</b> dignified than his previous outfit because, in narration if not in the art, we're told that it has special armored padding. I'm pretty sure the original Banshee suit was just a skintight leotard.<br /><br />I've never understood why Wolverine, Psylocke, and Jubilee didn't move into Wolverine's solo series at this point. Jo Duffy took over the series for a while after Byrne and Goodwin left, and I believe she and Claremont were friends, or at least they had been at one time. You'd think Claremont might have briefed her on what she could and could not do, then let her go with this trio, letting them have adventures in Madripoor which could then later be threaded back into UNCANNY. Then, when the team was united again eventually, this arrangement could have been reassessed (I believe Larry Hama would be the WOLVERINE writer by that point -- not sure how close he and Claremont were).Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-33437180649538662552015-03-18T16:57:35.574-05:002015-03-18T16:57:35.574-05:00"I'm under the impression the door is usu..."I'm under the impression the door is usually shut, and it's soundproof - he gives no indication of hearing her banging away inside."<br /><br />Yeah but for me, why would it be shut if it hasn't been used since Proteus, and why would the warning light be flashing, and damn, I think about this stuff way too much, don't I? wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-39727156555483966582015-03-18T16:30:06.692-05:002015-03-18T16:30:06.692-05:00Oh, also wasn't it "mentat," not &qu...Oh, also wasn't it "mentat," not "menstat" ....?Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-2378015979297413302015-03-18T16:28:08.273-05:002015-03-18T16:28:08.273-05:00Having only read the X-series Acts of Vengeance cr...Having only read the X-series Acts of Vengeance crossovers, which were so tangential, I liked the name-checking of the actual title too, both here and in Goodwin's Wolverine. Nice, simple, unobtrusive way to tie it in without making an X-fan feel like they were missing out by not reading the core AoV titles.<br /><br />For a long time, the triumvirate of Logan-loves depicted here was very much canonical for me. If Claremont said these are "all" the women Wolverine has loved, then that's fact. (Went my attitude at the time.) I still consider Heather Hudson and Silver Fox to be something less than major loves of Wolverine. And of course anyone introduced post-Claremont is totally moot as far as I'm concerned. MOOT I SAYJasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-25522593039869628082015-03-18T14:13:48.571-05:002015-03-18T14:13:48.571-05:00Teebore: Legion has locked Lorna in Mutant X/Prote...Teebore: <i>Legion has locked Lorna in Mutant X/Proteus' old cell</i><br /><br />Had you not mentioned Proteus here, I would, because that's a totally awesome Easter egg to slip in here. Of course, the chances for you not to or someone here not catching it was zero, because it also is obvious to anyone familiar with the classic Claremont/Byrne. But anyway. The important thing to take with you here is that if someone is going to push you into soundproof cell to be forgotten, be sure to hit a teeth out of that someone.<br /><br /><i>Wolverine is confronted in his mind by images of the women he's loved: Jean Grey, Mariko, and Yukio. Notably absent from that list:</i><br /><br />Come on, it was only a normal-sized issue.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-7761423609029818252015-03-18T12:45:06.291-05:002015-03-18T12:45:06.291-05:00@wwk5d: Banshee should have been a bit more curiou...@wwk5d: <i>Banshee should have been a bit more curious as to why there was someone in the Mutant X cell, no?</i><br /><br />I'm under the impression the door is usually shut, and it's soundproof - he gives no indication of hearing her banging away inside. <br /><br /><i>Of course, he says that while wearing the (at the time) most stylish Western threads...</i><br /><br />Ha! Good point. <br /><br /><i> It should be noted, however, that this is the first time any of the X-men have been reunited since # 250. </i><br /><br />That is worth noting. I may edit something in. <br /><br /><i>At least Matsuo threw the phrase in to that panel you posted ;)</i><br /><br />I kinda love that. Vulture does a similar thing in tomorrow's <i>New Mutants</i>. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-32849779576552303602015-03-18T12:26:29.096-05:002015-03-18T12:26:29.096-05:00"Legion has locked Lorna in Mutant X/Proteus&..."Legion has locked Lorna in Mutant X/Proteus' old cell, and it's revealed that thanks to Lorna"<br /><br />Banshee should have been a bit more curious as to why there was someone in the Mutant X cell, no?<br /><br />"The Mandarin is dismissive of Jubilee, saying she has been sullied by mongrel Western influences."<br /><br />Of course, he says that while wearing the (at the time) most stylish Western threads...<br /><br />While the 3 issue arc is a good one, this issue is definitely the weakest of the 3. It should be noted, however, that this is the first time any of the X-men have been reunited since # 250. <br /><br />I wonder where this fits in with the Acts of Vengeance continuity? At least Matsuo threw the phrase in to that panel you posted ;)<br /><br />By the way, check out this link...it has a few Psylocke urban legends...<br /><br />http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/04/20/comic-book-legends-revealed-363/<br /><br />The most interesting one is that Nicieza did it face make a mistake and not realize/check that Psylocke was still untransformed and naked when the Hand found her (it's the third Urban Legend in the trio). Embarrassing that nobody at Marvel caught that mistake, especially Bob Harris. And it makes Nicieza's whole retcon even more pointless. wwk5dnoreply@blogger.com