tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post3268843718199982998..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining New Mutants #78Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-45228337068250351262014-11-05T17:28:06.894-06:002014-11-05T17:28:06.894-06:00@ANonymous: think that Rusty and Skids were origin...@ANonymous: <i>think that Rusty and Skids were originally intended to rejoin the New Mutants- there were Liefeld sketches of them. </i><br /><br />Oh, definitely. It seems like they were meant to stick around longer, even after Liefeld came aboard. But presumably he got bored with them, or distracted by X-Force, or whatever. It's just in hindsight, knowing how it all plays out, it's kind of funny that Rusty gets a bit of a spotlight in this issue (and NM #86, of course). <br /><br />Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-14613162896664841752014-11-05T07:17:19.146-06:002014-11-05T07:17:19.146-06:00I think that Rusty and Skids were originally inten...I think that Rusty and Skids were originally intended to rejoin the New Mutants- there were Liefeld sketches of them. Of course, the real problem was that Simonson seems to have intended the "Freedom Force took the Inferno babies" plot as a long term plot, like the Marauders taking Nate and Lorna. But that doesn't work, since Freedom Force was shown to be working for a commission including Valerie Cooper, General Haywerth and Raymond Sikorsky (the Avengers liason) and while it was plausible the X-Teams couldn't find the Marauders immediately, there's no reason they should have trouble locating Cooper, Haywerth and Sikorsky.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-43266051570145392802014-11-04T12:12:12.829-06:002014-11-04T12:12:12.829-06:00@Blam: I want to be reasonably charitable towards...@Blam: <i> I want to be reasonably charitable towards this kind of thing given the period, but for some reason it just struck me as odd that out of all the stuff going on we get a half-page's worth of origin summary for Rusty straight off the bat.</i><br /><br />Which is especially funny considering Rusty is relegated to subplot pages for the next seven issues or so, and then disappears pretty much completely after getting a solo spotlight issue. So Weezie is making a point of recapping his origin just before he functionally disappears from the narrative. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-29104588452518883592014-11-01T18:10:22.697-05:002014-11-01T18:10:22.697-05:00@wwk5d: // I think Leonardi helps this issue. //
...<br>@wwk5d: <i>// I think Leonardi helps this issue. //</i><br /><br />Me too. I've actually been surprised at his work on the X-titles because from his stuff on Spider-Man not long before this I thought he tended to favor lean, lithe figures. Not unlike the shock I got when I saw Art Adams doing a bulked-up Superman and Batman in 1987's <i>Action Comics</i> Annual, influenced by Frank Miller's <i>Dark Knight</i>, on the heels of the extremely sinewy characters populating <i>Longshot</i>.<br /><br />@Teebore: <i>// Which would then beg the question of why Leonardi thought having the villain shoot Rictor in the head was a good idea. //</i><br /><br />'Cause he's less interesting* than Rusty? Which is really saying something, I know. Despite all four "X-Terminators" still barely being more than a collection of superpowers**, though, I would for whatever inarticulable reason much rather have Rusty and Skids integrated into the New Mutants than Rictor and Boom-Boom. [*I almost called him a complete cipher, then figured that was a little too on the nose in terms of New Mutants getting popped in the line of duty.] [**Boom-Boom has the Valley Girl schtick, too, but it's not a point in her favor. I can articulate that much, at least.]<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-25329591455110906212014-11-01T18:02:04.013-05:002014-11-01T18:02:04.013-05:00// Rusty mentions that he's impervious to his ...<br><i>// Rusty mentions that he's impervious to his own heat //</i><br /><br />In exposition that stops things cold (er, so to speak). That panel you show has him literally turning his back on the pressing matter at hand to soliloquize — and then converse with Skids — in the name of recapping his story. Right after he says "Poor Dani," he becomes completely self-absorbed.<br /><br />Sorry. I want to be reasonably charitable towards this kind of thing given the period, but for some reason it just struck me as odd that out of all the stuff going on we get a half-page's worth of origin summary for Rusty straight off the bat.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-22761054328338745212014-10-31T09:22:31.994-05:002014-10-31T09:22:31.994-05:00@Teemu: In Surtur Saga by W. Simonson it was kind...@Teemu: <i> In Surtur Saga by W. Simonson it was kind of a plot point that Eilif the Dragonslayer was to fill the last empty seat in Valhalla, and I don't think there are too many Vikings roaming around on Midgard at this point dying bravely and getting to Valhalla. </i><br /><br />I will definitely need some help during this upcoming storyline with what's going on in <i>Thor</i> at the time, as I really have no idea, other than the vague recollection from an <i>Avengers</i> story (and the footnote herein) that Asgard is in the Negative Zone for some reason. <br /><br />@Anonymous: <i>It's hilarious that Freedom Force is trying to stop the New Mutants from telling X-Factor about the Inferno babies, but when the New Mutants finally get to X-Factor, they do nothing.</i><br /><br />To be fair, when they finally run into X-Factor again, it has been awhile. I mean, they can only remember stuff for so long, and they probably got a bunch of new memories while in Asgard. ;)<br /><br />@wwk5d: <i>So...thanks, Destiny?</i><br /><br />Ha, good point. If that's "saving" Freedom Force, I'd hate to see what would have happened if Rusty reached Ship...<br /><br /><i>Either Weezie was on some good drugs when she was writing this...or she was trying to cover up some discrepancies due to some plotting/artwork miscommunication. </i><br /><br />It strikes me as the latter, like she needed to script in a reason Rictor wasn't dead from getting shot in the head (which is clearly what the art shows). Which would then beg the question of why Leonardi thought having the villain shoot Rictor in the head was a good idea.<br /><br /><i> It's good work, and it's a shame he wasn't made the regular artist for the rest of this story.</i><br /><br />Yeah, Leonardi seems like a good fit for this title, a little bit Blevins cartooniness, a little bit the more traditional work of a Guice, even a dash of Sienkiewicz at times. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-89746434215019811372014-10-31T01:55:06.905-05:002014-10-31T01:55:06.905-05:00"Destiny declares that Freedom Force must pre..."Destiny declares that Freedom Force must prevent Rusty from reaching Ship, as doing so will engulf Freedom Force in the dark times ahead for mutants. We never find out what, exactly, Destiny's trying to prevent, but since Freedom Force does stop Rusty from getting to Ship, I guess whatever it was got avoided, which is why we never find out about it."<br /><br />Except, within the next few years, Destiny, Stonewall, and Super Sabre all die, and Crimson Commando and Avalanche are severely injured. So...thanks, Destiny?<br /><br />"though we eventually learn, much later, that the Inferno babies end up being used by the army and stranded in Limbo"<br /><br />Who knew of all the dropped threads, this would be the one resolved 20+ years later?<br /><br />"Crimson Commando attempts to stun Rictor with a gentle blow...by firing a bullet at his temple."<br /><br />Either Weezie was on some good drugs when she was writing this...or she was trying to cover up some discrepancies due to some plotting/artwork miscommunication. Or both. <br /><br />I think Leonardi helps this issue. It's good work, and it's a shame he wasn't made the regular artist for the rest of this story. It might have been more tolerable. And maybe the storyline wouldn't have felt so long if there were less fill-in issues scattered throughout it. In any case, this is the swan-song for the pre-Imagification of the title...and it's a shame it isn't a good swan song.wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-90022713518349255342014-10-30T19:32:23.808-05:002014-10-30T19:32:23.808-05:00So now that New Mutants can add not finding the In...So now that New Mutants can add not finding the Inferno babies to their to do list, along with not helping Amara.<br />It's hilarious that Freedom Force is trying to stop the New Mutants from telling X-Factor about the Inferno babies, but when the New Mutants finally get to X-Factor, they do nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-23412928634325195942014-10-30T16:43:35.925-05:002014-10-30T16:43:35.925-05:00Hela reveals that the rest of the Valkyries have a...<i>Hela reveals that the rest of the Valkyries have all succumbed to the illness Dani is fighting, preventing them from swelling Odin's armies.</i><br /><br />Hmmh. In Surtur Saga by W. Simonson it was kind of a plot point that Eilif the Dragonslayer was to fill the last empty seat in Valhalla, and I don't think there are too many Vikings roaming around on Midgard at this point dying bravely and getting to Valhalla. Though, after Surtwar they probably again have vacancies, and at least Skurge did get there eventually I believe, and of course Thor roaming around and Surtwar in fresh memory may have won new believers for Odin some of whom are Valhalla-eligible.<br /><br />Unless of course they have branched out to completely new worlds to be served as gods there and are drafting armies for Odin en masse there under the moniker of 'Asgards' or something.Teemunoreply@blogger.com