tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post2118730467289366680..comments2024-03-28T10:18:00.370-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining New Mutants #30Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-31171357679724529082013-06-05T14:18:59.853-05:002013-06-05T14:18:59.853-05:00@angmc43: I think this issue establishes Illyan...@angmc43: <i>I think this issue establishes Illyan's standard Darkchylde costume (big horns, exposed belly, lioncloth, sometimes a cape)</i><br /><br />I think you may be right: elements of that look have appeared before, but this might be the first time they all come together. <br /><br /><i>Maybe Illyana should have had a word with Rachel...</i><br /><br />Ha! Definitely. All things considered, Illyana handled her tragic past much better. <br /><br /><i>the climax is probably the closest U-No-Who ever got to her.</i><br /><br />Good point. <br /><br />@Blam: <i>I think it's </i>Daredevil: Love and War (Marvel Graphic Novel #24)<br /><br />That makes much more sense. I don't think I knew Sienkiewicz worked on that (having never read it). <br /><br /><i>I must say that this reread is really surprising me with how sprawling the characters and plot lines have become</i><br /><br />"Sprawling" is a good word for it. I recall liking the somewhat bigger scope of the title during Sienkiewicz's run, and this re-read has affirmed that, though I definitely didn't remember just how scattered the cast was through most of it and just how nonchalantly the various additions to the team were handled, and I can't deny I was a little disappointed in that this time through the run. <br /><br />@Mortsleam: <i>I don't envy Teebore having to make sense of it all in this format. Where's NIghtcrawler? What happened to Phoenix? Who the hell is Longshot?</i><br /><br />I appreciate the sentiment, but you don't have to worry about me. I still love this era (at least up through "Mutant Massacre") because of how sprawling it is. Piecing it all together was part of the fun back in the day, and now that I've done it once, it's a lot easier to follow. :) Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-33177110885487209752013-05-28T13:25:55.249-05:002013-05-28T13:25:55.249-05:00@mortsleam: It actually gets worse
Which is why ...<br>@mortsleam: <i>It actually gets worse </i><br /><br />Which is why I dropped <i>New Mutants</i> about an issue after Sienkiewicz left and was determined to quit <i>X-Men</i> with #200 — although #201 intrigued me, and I liked the looks of the BWS Wolverine issue, so I actually stayed on through #205. I'm curious to read the actual issues that followed, not having checked back in with the issues until "Inferno" and occasional later sampling every few years, although I'm aware of some of the broad strokes. For my sanity, <i>X-Men</i> (and related titles) was something that I had to be all-or-nothing about, which seems to be a common sentiment and more surprisingly became increasingly easy to do vis-a-vis the whole line's relation to the greater Marvel Universe. <br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-16723309769902789182013-05-27T09:21:04.914-05:002013-05-27T09:21:04.914-05:00I must say that this reread is really surprising m...<i>I must say that this reread is really surprising me with how sprawling the characters and plot lines have become (yes, even given Claremont's reputation)</i><br /><br />Cocaine is a helluva drug?<br /><br />It actually gets worse leading up to and following Uncanny #200 and possibly reaches its apex immediately preceding the Mutant Massacre. While it's great that Claremont uses Annuals and Specials to introduce significant changes to the cast, they fact that some of them simply don't make any chronological sense, and that so many ideas are brought up only to be ignored, creates a lot of frustration. I don't envy Teebore having to make sense of it all in this format. Where's NIghtcrawler? What happened to Phoenix? Who the hell is Longshot?<br /><br />Cocaine is a helluva drug.<br /><br />- mortsleamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-81681194278796881902013-05-24T09:43:19.012-05:002013-05-24T09:43:19.012-05:00what becomes, I believe, Elektra: Assassin
I thin...<br><i>what becomes, I believe,</i> Elektra: Assassin<br /><br />I think it's <i>Daredevil: Love and War</i> (<i>Marvel Graphic Novel</i> #24); <i>Elektra: Assassin</i> follows later.<br /><br />There were a few interesting and/or just weird letters. One statement that was conspicuous for its lack of a reply was a complaint about name changes being revealed in the backup dossiers — Dani's from Psyche to Mirage, specifically — "without even mentioning why or that you've even done it!" <br /><br /><i>Another response teases a future issue in which Amara will come face-to-face with one of her gods; this story will not see print until issue #81</i><br /><br />Ha! <br /><br />Despite the letter from a self-described "mature" woman praising the "consistency" of Claremont's writing (along with Sienkiewicz's art), I must say that this reread is really surprising me with how sprawling the characters and plot lines have become (yes, even given Claremont's reputation). I'm very sympathetic to the plight of an author's grand plans getting away from him, but starting a handful of issues ago I feel like I blinked and we'd suddenly gone from a smaller core group than I'd remembered in the wake of Karma's disappearance to new members being added — without much or any official indication of enlistment until they show up in costume, at that, as Illyana sort-of joined the New Mutants to rescue Kitty from the Hellions and just stayed on, while Doug was recruited <i>off-panel</i> during the slumber party and likewise stuck around. At the same time various characters have been often-inexplicably absent as whole adventures split the team into smaller groups, with egregiously little attention paid to Doug and Warlock. Plus there are running subplots or continuity points appearing in <i>X-Men</i> rather than <i>New Mutants</i> (or vice versa) with little distinction — not to mention characters from <i>New Mutants</i> appearing in main plots in <i>X-Men</i> as well, made all the more jarring given the artistic differences between the titles.<br /><br />I was puzzled by a scene in this issue where Sam mentions that his power of propulsion can blast the rocks to smithereens. I'm not sure that that was established before and in fact I'd have assumed the opposite to be true; that is, I'd figure his Cannonball trail incorporated the same kind of Mark Gruenwald Extradimensional Physics that kept Cyclops' optic blasts from taking his head off, so that Sam didn't always destroy the floor/sidewalk/road/whatever when he blasted off.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-91218219977620109412013-05-24T04:37:09.608-05:002013-05-24T04:37:09.608-05:00On a different note, considering CC later changed ...On a different note, considering CC later changed U-No-who's lifestyle, adding an unrequited attraction to Kitty, the climax is probably the closest U-No-Who ever got to her.angmc43@hotmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379700547226493861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-83969023359078241202013-05-23T17:47:49.092-05:002013-05-23T17:47:49.092-05:00"Kitty says the Beyonder owes her two: one fo..."Kitty says the Beyonder owes her two: one for taking her love from her (as it is the Beyonder that led to Colossus falling in love with Zsaji), and another for tormenting Illyana."<br /><br />So, it wasn't Peter trying to find a way out of a relationship that got 'weird" (deep and mature)?<br /><br />I think this issue establishes Illyan's standard Darkchylde costume (big horns, exposed belly, lioncloth, sometimes a cape).<br /><br />On the same note, this pretty much shows Rachel how different the Illyana of this timeline is from her own. I say this because Illyana was the first one Rachel met when she came to this timeline (and gave her her first clue about the divergence between the two). The two characters share a lot of similarities (X-relatives, horrible childhoods, slew X-Men, friends with Kitty), that it's surprising the two never really shared much a word from each other. When I wrote commentaries about the CC run on NM on Google, the answer I got was that perhaps it was these uncomfortable similarities that forced a distance.<br />Of course, one big difference is that Illyana rarely let her past affect her like Rachel's did to her. Only a few incidents (UXM#171, NM#36, 51) did Illyana suffer an emotional freak-out. Otherwise, when her Limbo time was brought up, Illyana usually used it as a comparison toward someone's situation or a deal-breaker toward someone's whining about getting a raw deal (e.g. Kitty "Professor Xavier is a Jerk!" issue in 168). Maybe Illyana should have had a word with Rachel...angmc43@hotmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379700547226493861noreply@blogger.com