tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post1750710557394307735..comments2024-03-22T04:20:11.870-05:00Comments on Gentlemen of Leisure: X-amining Excalibur #10Austin Gortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-47340400375481901682015-03-18T13:31:24.537-05:002015-03-18T13:31:24.537-05:00Yup. Bad, bad art.
That panel of Ross at the end...Yup. Bad, bad art. <br /><br />That panel of Ross at the end is so evocative of Sharon Stone it's interesting to consider that this was three full years before Basic Instinct hit theaters.Joe Pacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08347462635438263614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-10388503525336069442014-10-21T15:44:22.283-05:002014-10-21T15:44:22.283-05:00Check out the main page as well, it has loads of a...Check out the main page as well, it has loads of articles about so many other plots and stories about the X-titles:<br /><br />http://uncannyxmen.net/secrets<br /><br />And this has a mix of those articles and some others detailing CC dropped plotlines when he left Uncanny:<br /><br />http://secretsbehindthexmen.blogspot.com/2012_05_01_archive.html<br /><br />Lots of good, fascinating reading :) wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-55270461478397798872014-10-21T15:08:37.563-05:002014-10-21T15:08:37.563-05:00@wwk5d: Thanks for that link! Great article, I hav...@wwk5d: Thanks for that link! Great article, I have a feeling I'll be referencing it often moving forward. <br /><br />I also love that, in true Claremont fashion, he and Davis intended for Widget to be a new team member and here we are, 10 issues into the series and Widget's only now starting to interact with the main characters. :) Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-20230046039898810092014-10-21T14:37:51.182-05:002014-10-21T14:37:51.182-05:00Teebore, check out this page, I'm sure it'...Teebore, check out this page, I'm sure it'll shed some light on lots of plot points we'll see later on:<br /><br />http://uncannyxmen.net/secrets-behind-the-x-men/cosmic-comedy-with-excalibur<br /><br />Here is an interesting quote from CC:<br /><br />"And then basically the concept of Excalibur evolved, and we decided on a team, which would be Shadowcat (Kitty Pryde), Nightcrawler, Captain Britain, his girlfriend Meggan, Phoenix, and someone new whom we'd invent (Widget)."wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-46308414782849690762014-10-21T12:33:26.292-05:002014-10-21T12:33:26.292-05:00@Jason: I'm 99% sure that Claremont did NOT in...@Jason: <i>I'm 99% sure that Claremont did NOT intend Widget to be Kitty. </i><br /><br />And that's good enough for me! Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-50037095757127375082014-10-17T22:37:28.981-05:002014-10-17T22:37:28.981-05:00"It's possible he told Davis his plans ar..."It's possible he told Davis his plans around this time, and Davis stuck with them when he finally got around to revealing Widget's origin, but it's just as possible Davis made all that up whole cloth and Claremont never said anything about his ideas for Widget. "<br /><br />I believe Davis has said on his blog or a forum that it's the latter.<br /><br />I'm 99% sure that Claremont did NOT intend Widget to be Kitty.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-81214582531966772862014-10-17T13:14:09.844-05:002014-10-17T13:14:09.844-05:00If the Rogers/Austin duo of DETECTIVE COMICS had d...If the Rogers/Austin duo of DETECTIVE COMICS had drawn this story, it would be a worthy follow-up to Davis's work. But for whatever reason, their work here is just horrible. I've said it a few times before, but I'll say again that just can't understand how this happened. We're barely ten or twelve years removed from their DETECTIVE run, so neither Rogers nor Austin has gotten old enough to be losing his ability yet. And while styles change over time, this is just ridculous.<br /><br />I can't imagine this product is what Terry Kavanagh expected when he hired the duo for this fill-in. He probably had visions of Batman dancing in his head, and imagined a fight at the Tower of London would look magnificent coming from the artists who had imbued Gotham City with such amazing mood and atmosphere.<br /><br />What a let-down.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-53669855378085885232014-10-17T10:41:55.654-05:002014-10-17T10:41:55.654-05:00@wwk5d: To the corner of Nowhere St. and Dropped P...@wwk5d: <i>To the corner of Nowhere St. and Dropped Plotlines Ave, more or less.</i><br /><br />Heh. Sounds about right. :)<br /><br /><i>You mean she is turned INTO a "demon", right?</i><br /><br />Yes. In hindsight, I could have made that more clear. <br /><br /><i>Story wise, this is one of the better non-Davis drawn issues, and you have to wonder how much better it would have been had Davis been the artist. </i><br /><br />Had Davis stuck around to finish it, I'd be tempted to call it the book's best story yet, but without him, that honor still falls to the Arcade two-parter. <br /><br />@Blam: <i>Outright fill-in issues are usually disappointing, but there's a special kind of suck you feel when a multi-part story in the flow of the ongoing narrative is begun by the regular artist(s), especially when it's work of Davis & Neary's caliber, and ended by others, especially when the result is... this.</i><br /><br />Fill-in art, necessary to the business it may be, has always bugged me, but man, it never bugs me more than in the situation you describe. <br /><br />@Anonymous: <i>Has anyone ever said that CLAREMONT intended Widget to be Kate? Because Claremont's issues don't read that way and Widget wasn't revealed to be Kate until after Claremont left the X-Books.</i><br /><br />Yeah, I've never read anything suggesting that was Claremont's intention. It's possible he told Davis his plans around this time, and Davis stuck with them when he finally got around to revealing Widget's origin, but it's just as possible Davis made all that up whole cloth and Claremont never said anything about his ideas for Widget. Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-68600253253230014052014-10-17T07:15:44.365-05:002014-10-17T07:15:44.365-05:00"Claremont trying to scare this art team away..."Claremont trying to scare this art team away with some Kitty/Kate action because it worked so well on Byrne back in the day?"<br />Has anyone ever said that CLAREMONT intended Widget to be Kate? Because Claremont's issues don't read that way and Widget wasn't revealed to be Kate until after Claremont left the X-Books.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-78756297506230417892014-10-16T22:47:09.873-05:002014-10-16T22:47:09.873-05:00Ugh. I can't even bring myself to consider tha...<br>Ugh. I can't even bring myself to consider that art "serviceable". Outright fill-in issues are usually disappointing, but there's a special kind of suck you feel when a multi-part story in the flow of the ongoing narrative is begun by the regular artist(s), especially when it's work of Davis & Neary's caliber, and ended by others, especially when the result is... this.<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-63344310822745982962014-10-16T21:00:18.493-05:002014-10-16T21:00:18.493-05:00Shadowcat is forced to shutdown Widget's porta...<i>Shadowcat is forced to shutdown Widget's portal by phasing through part of him, rendering him inert</i><br /><br />Claremont trying to scare this art team away with some Kitty/Kate action because it worked so well on Byrne back in the day?Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7266470995513648978.post-59227020747294182682014-10-16T15:06:37.982-05:002014-10-16T15:06:37.982-05:00"Fake Courtney Ross pops up at the very end....."Fake Courtney Ross pops up at the very end...not sure where, if anywhere, that's going."<br /><br />To the corner of Nowhere St. and Dropped Plotlines Ave, more or less.<br /><br />"I dunno who designed this cover"<br /><br />Crap art aside, it does at least keep the tone of the Alan Davis covers. <br /><br />"A footnote points out this story occurred in Cap's solo series"<br /><br />Here you go: http://uncannyxmen.net/comics/issue/mighty-world-of-marvel-2nd-series-14<br /><br />"Rachel notes that she does not have a counterpart"<br /><br />Well, she is the most special snowflake, according to CC.<br /><br />"Kitty's counterpart turns out to be a demon transformed by the Reich, something which horrifies Kitty."<br /><br />You mean she is turned INTO a "demon", right?<br /><br />"It's also made clear that the Nazi regime of this alternate dimension maintains its bigotry towards Jews, even while it elevates mutants."<br /><br />An interesting...was going to say dichotomy, but I'm not sure that word applies. In any case, I am curious how other mutants would be treated there, though, especially other ethnic mutants like Storm or Sunspot. Elevated or "altered" like Kitty? Of course, the other members of LS would be treated well; Nightcrawler is at least a Christian German, while Brian and Meggan are the epitome of "Aryan Perfection". <br /><br />Too bad about the art. Story wise, this is one of the better non-Davis drawn issues, and you have to wonder how much better it would have been had Davis been the artist. wwk5dnoreply@blogger.com